Human Flying

[Indigo Child]

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

See: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 532AAsayq7

The fact that you are using a 400 year old theory as your worldview, really goes to
show us how regressive your materialistic worldview is. GR is not just a modification
of Newtonian mechanics, it is a complete overhaul of it, and a radically new worldview.
Similarly, quantum physics is a complete overahaul of classical physics, and a radically
new worldview. It is our current worldview, even Einstein's theories are more or less dead.

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

Prowag,

Read the link again, and pay more attention to this part:

"Furthermore, GR is not merely a "modification" of Newtonian gravity. It is a completely different theory resting on an utterly different set of postulates; so different, in fact, that all of our understanding of the way bodies, space, and time interact with one another had to be overhauled in order to accept it. The two theories are at their cores, fundamentally at odds."

GR uses completely different variables, postulates and completely redefines Newton force of gravity, as a distortion in the fabric of space-time. It is
not just an extension of Newtonian mechanics, it is in fact what the philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn calls "incommensurable" with it. Newton theories
are only practically useful for everyday situations, they are not necessarily true. Even Aristotle's theories were practically useful, and they are blatantly wrong.

Even GR is wrong and is again only a useful description in order to calculate the orbits of celestial bodies and satellites, measure gravitational distortion and
relativistic effects. It is no more true than Newton theory's though, because we now know that fundamentally in quantum physics there is no such thing as physical
reality, it is just waves of possibility or wavefunctions which only collapse and take physical form when they are observed. So all of physical reality is only a useful
description by the observer, not as things really are.

[ProfWag]

If you shoot a gun towards a target some distance away, do you aim below or above the actual target? If your answer is above, why?

[Indigo Child]

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

Dear Canis,

The refined experiments you propose are definitely an improvement over the ones I suggested.
My experiments were merely for the personal validation of somebody, as most people would
settle for a basic confirmation such as spying on friends and family in the astral, and then returning
to the physical and verifying their observations. The scientiic studies into astral travelling which have
been done overal several decades, observes controls like you propose, even tigher ones. You will find
this paper very interesting:

http://cref.tripod.com/tucsonpaper.htm

Here is an excepts from the above paper of some of my favourite studies:

One of the first researchers to perform laboratorial experiments on the OBE was psychologist Dr. Charles Theodore Tart (1937 - ). In 1966, he invited a young projector to participate in a series of experiments in the sleep laboratory of the University of California - Davis. The historical projectiological experiments took four nights in which the projector - "Miss Z" - was to lay down and try to exit the physical body, while connected to a series of devices that measured her physiological conditions. The objective of the experiments was the identification of a quasi-randomly generated five-digit number, approximately 1.5 meters above her head (impossible to be physically observed).

From Monday to Wednesday, the projector reported having seen the clock while floating out of body. At the times informed by her, the devices demonstrated unusual brain-wave patterns. An absence of rapid-eye movements (REM) was also observed. On Wednesday night, Miss Z identified the target number: 25132. The brain-wave pattern during conscious projection was different from the patterns during waking state, sleep and other altered states of consciousness (an expression proposed by Tart himself)


A study by Janet Lee Mitchell (American Society for Psychical Research, ASPR) and Karlis Osis on the traveling clairvoyance of surrealist painter and writer Ingo Swann resulted in 8 of 8 correct target observations with 1 in 40,000 probability for a chance occurrence. When Swann reported his vision was outside of his body, there was loss of electrical activity and faster brain wave impulses in the visual areas in the occipital lobes. During this state, there was greater drop in alpha activity in the right hemisphere than in the left, while other organic functions remained normal.

In 1979, Karlis Osis and Donna McCormick verified that a projector correctly identified a random optical target, in a locked room replete of sensors, 114 of 197 (57.87%) trials in 20 sessions. During these 114 “hits,” kinetic effects were observed demonstrating the presence of something subtle but nonetheless physical.

In 1977, Robert Lyle Morris and Stuart Harary of Duke University. From the University of California – Santa Barbara, Harary (his body connected to various physiological devices) was to visit Spirit, his two-month old cat, whose movements in a cage were detected by sensors at Duke. Sharp behavior difference was observed when the projector was projected near the cat, which became passive, calm, without meowing as if it was seeing or feeling Harary’s presence. When he wasn’t projected, Spirit was continuously trying to exit the cage it was in and meowed 37 times. The results were considered p=.01. Simple telepathy was excluded through a false projection, where Harary simply imagined the occurrence. In posterior studies where the animal did not have affinity not Harary, there results were insignicant.



Regarding your proposition that vague descriptions cannot be accepted as valid hits such as "a red something", "a toy" I think they are valid, but I want to explain why these descriptions are actually common and why it is not always possible to get absolute descriptions of physical objects in the astral plane and why sometimes one can even fail to see the object.
The astral plane differs from the physical plane in some main characteristics. It has weak objectivity, it has no physical laws of space-time or gravity, it has phenomena which is unique to the astral plane. As it was weak objectivity it means that you will not necessarily always see a completely objective representation of a physical object, but sometimes it will be altered by your own subjective imaginings. For instance you might try to see a painting in the astral which you do not like, but in the astral you may not see a painting at all, but a representation of your own memories. As the astral has no time, it is possible for you to see an object in its past or future rather than its present. More often than not, astral things are often seen as qualitative things, as opposed to solid physical things, so one is more likely to seen a physical red ball in terms of its qualities as "redness, playful"
However, sometimes one can have very clear vision of the physical and see it as they would normally see it, but more vividly.

[Indigo Child]

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

[ProfWag]

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

String theory/M theory and all other dimensional theories are just mathematical theories.
They are interesting, but so abstract and contradictory with one another, that one cannot
make practical use of them. This is why they have not yet been accepted in physics. They
also hinge on the assumption that dimensions beyond 3D would be spatial and temporal, and
this is why they struggle conceptualizing what higher dimensions would look like.

Quantum physics is still the prevailing theory today and is what all modern technology is
based on. In quantum physics the dimension of space-time vanishes completely, revealing
a reality that transcends space and time and transcends all physical description. This was
first demonstrated by the EPR paradox headed by Einstein, which showed if quantum theory
were true than it would be possible for action at a distance to take place, where for example
one particle being measured, would mysteriously mean another particle even if in another galaxy
would be instantaneously affected violating General relativity. The original intent was to show that
quantum theory was wrong, but later John Bell demonstrated that there was no violation of GR, because
the communication was taking place in the quantum world where there was no space and time. Since,
this been experimentally demonstated several times, notably by Alain Aspect. It is not known as the
principle of quantun entanglement and is used in quantum computers and quantum teleportation.

In other words space and time literally vanish in the 5th dimension of the quantum world. Thus necessarily
the dimensions above 4D would be non physical not physical. The 5th dimension is none other than the astral plane.