Human Flying

[ProfWag]

In another thread, the discussion came up how Yogas can do quite amazing things such as teleportation, altering their size, levitation, flying, becoming invisible, etc. The post made me think of a show I once saw concerning transcendtal meditation. I was quite excited before the show as it was going to discuss how meditating can actually allow someone to fly. Imagine that! Until I watched it which was to say, quite disappointing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFfQuCGU0ZQ

[Indigo Child]

The video says itself this is not the power of flying or levitation. The power of flying is
described in the Yogasutras by Patanjali, which is one the siddhis or powers that can
be developed in Yoga. In order do this you must reach a stage known as Samyama, or perfect
concentration, which is a prerequiste for activating any power. When Samyama is applied on
various objects the power is activated.

3.4 The three processes of dharana, dhyana, and samadhi, when taken together on the same object, place or point is called samyama.
(trayam ekatra samyama)

Dharana: Concentration is the process of holding or fixing the attention of mind onto one object or place. (3.1)
Dhyana: Meditation is sustained concentration, whereby the attention continues to hold or repeat the same object or place. (3.2)
Samadhi: Samadhi is the deep absorption, wherein only the essence of that object, place, or point shines forth in the mind, as if the mind were devoid even of its own form. (3.3)

3.5 Through the mastery of that three-part process of samyama, the light of knowledge, transcendental insight, or higher consciousness (prajna) dawns, illumines, flashes, or is visible.
(tad jayat prajna lokah)

The various powers and how they are activated:

Seeing into the past and future:

3.16 By samyama on the three-fold changes in form, time, and characteristics, there comes knowledge of the past and future.
(parinimah traya samyama atita anagata jnana)

Universal language translation:

3.17 The name associated with an object, the object itself implied by that name, and the conceptual existence of the object, all three usually interpenetrate or commingle with one another. By samyama on the distinction between these three, the meaning of the sounds made by all beings becomes available.
(shabda artha pratyaya itaretara adhyasat samkara tat pravibhaga samyama sarva bhuta ruta jnana)

Knowledge of past lives:

3.18 Through the direct perception of the latent impressions (samskaras) comes the knowledge of previous incarnations.
(samskara saksat karanat purva jati jnanam)

Seeing into anothers mind:

3.19 By samyama on the notions or presented ideas comes knowledge of another's mind.
(pratyayasya para chitta jnana)

Invisibility:

3.21 When samyama is done on the form of one's own physical body, the illumination or visual characteristic of the body is suspended, and is thus invisible to other people.
(kaya rupa samyama tat grahya shakti tat stambhe chaksuh prakasha asamprayoga antardhanam)

Eradicating hunger and thirst:

3.31 By samyama on the pit of the throat, hunger and thirst leave.
(kantha kupe ksut pipasa nivrittih)

Entering anothers body:

3.39 By loosening or letting go of the causes of bondage and attachment, and by following the knowledge of how to go forth into the passages of the mind, there comes the ability to enter into another body.
(bandha karana shaithilyat prachara samvedanat cha chittasya para sharira aveshah)

Levitation, flying, walking on water:

3.40 By the mastery over udana, the upward flowing prana vayu, there is a cessation of contact with mud, water, thorns, and other such objects, and there ensues the rising or levitation of the body.
(udana jayat jala panka kantaka adisu asangah utkrantih cha)

Increasing and decreasing ones size, and controlling the elements:

3.45 By samyama on the five forms of the elements (bhutas), which are gross form, essence, subtleness, interconnectedness, and its purpose, then mastery over those bhutas is attained.
(sthula svarupa suksma anvaya arthavattva samyamad bhuta-jayah)

3.46 Through that mastery over the elements, comes the abilities of making the body atomically small, perfect, and indestructible in its characteristics or components, as well as bringing other such powers.
(tatah anima adi pradurbhavah kaya sampad tad dharma anabhighata cha)

Teleportation:

3.43 By Samyama on the relationship between the body and space (akasha) and by concentrating on the lightness of cotton, passage through space can be attained.


http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras.htm

[Indigo Child]

Just a comment on Samyama. Samyama is an advanced stage of Yoga, and
if you reach this stage you are at masters level. At this stage you will be able
to retain your consciousness on a single object for a long period of time, without
a single distraction. At this point your concentration power becomes refined like a laser,
which you can direct on any object to reveal the true being of that object and gain
full control of that object. As I would describe it myself, this is when you can play with
reality and make it do whatever you want. It is a mind-stuff, and responds to your command.

[ciscop]

wow indigo
you do know your stuff

it is a shame you cant provide videos of people flying or getting invisible
it is just mumbo jumbo
who cares about the long impossible to pronounce names if you cant even provide evidence

[ProfWag]

Yes, yes Indigo appears to know some things about yoga. Still doesn't mean people can levitate, walk on water, or make themselves invisible, but he/she appears to have a basic understanding of what he/she believes in. Although, I asked my wife of few of those terms and she promply corrected me on how I was pronouncing the words so I guess if you're into that sort of thing...

[Indigo Child]

The people who have such powers, belong to esoteric traditions and are sworn into
secrecy of not displaying these powers. Moreover, such powers are only possessed by
masters and masters do not reveal themselves publically. On rare occasions masters
will display their powers. Such as Jesus displayed the power of walking over water and
his ability to manifest things. There are countless anecdotes of these powers being shown
throughout history by various masters.

The Yogasutras is not a religious text, rather it is a highly technical text or manuel
for meditators which describes the various stages of meditation, how and why it
works, the obstacles one is likely to face and how to overcome them, as well as the
powers that will become active due to meditation. It is a known fact today that meditation
does indeed unlock latent powers, such as the ability to regulate your own body heat,
stop your heart beart, hibernate, activate higher brain function and scientific studies
have confirmed this.

The science of Yoga is based on a sound metaphysics of reality, in which reality is not
treated and a modelled as physical real substance, but as a fluidic mind-stuff which responds to minds.
Now studies in science actually confirm that reality does indeed respond to the mind. The new
conception of reality in modern science agrees with Yoga that reality is not physical, but fluidic
waves of possibility. It's not long before modern science will conclude like Yoga that reality is
a mind-stuff; they are already very close to admitting that.

You say to me that this is my "belief" I can likewise say to you it is your belief that you live
in a physical and real world. This is known as naive realism in philosophy, where one accepts
the empirical world to be real. Just because it looks like it is continuious, it looks solid, you
conclude it really is. In actual fact the scientific image of reality is the complete opposite,
it is discontinuous(quantum jumps), it is non-physical(waves of possibility) and it only appears
to be physical when observed. Neuroscience has reached similar conclusions, that our entire
empirical reality is a viritual reality. It is not as things really are. That is darn close to saying
it is a mind-stuff.

[ciscop]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I call BULLSHIT !

it is always the same lame excuse!!!!
masters than never show their powers
how gullible can believers get?
why do this masters swear secrecy? why?

will you believe anything that i tell you?
i know also a guy that gets superhuman strenght just by eating some vegetable
i cant tell you what vegetable it is cause it is a secret, but he is a sailor and uses a pipe

[Indigo Child]

it is always the same lame excuse!!!!
masters than never show their powers
how gullible can believers get?
why do this masters swear secrecy? why?

Probablly, because we are too irresponsible to deal
with such powers and will end up using them for war.
Actually, that is exactly what has happened. Remote
viewing was used by the CIA to spy on Russian missile
sites; the 65 year old breatherian is being studied by the
Indian military in order to develop soliders that do not need
to eat or drink. In other news, psychic teleportation has
already been picked up by the United States Air force in
order to use psychic teleportation for war:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf

[ciscop]

i am amazed at how gullible you are

teletubbies gotta be like your version of Lost

[Indigo Child]

I amazed at how incredulous you are

Are you claiming the CIA did not use remote viewing in order
to spy on the Soviets, the United states air force has not in fact
researching psychic teleportation for the purposes of war, and
the Indian military is not studying the 65 year old man in order
to develop soliders that can go without food and water for a long
time?

[ProfWag]

I amazed at how incredulous you are

Are you claiming the CIA did not use remote viewing in order
to spy on the Soviets, the United states air force has not in fact
researching psychic teleportation for the purposes of war, and
the Indian military is not studying the 65 year old man in order
to develop soliders that can go without food and water for a long
time?

No, they dd not succeed in remote viewing the Soviets (experimented yes, suceed, no).
Yes, we have researched teleportation. No, they have not succeeded.
Yes, a PhD with questionable testing methods is studying an old man for possible military use.

BTW, thanks for the link to the Air Force research. Great find!

[ciscop]

indigo..
have you ever seen a guy levitating?
or you just heard about it or read about it and want to believe is true?

[really?]

I amazed at how incredulous you are

Are you claiming the CIA did not use remote viewing in order
to spy on the Soviets, the United states air force has not in fact
researching psychic teleportation for the purposes of war, and
the Indian military is not studying the 65 year old man in order
to develop soliders that can go without food and water for a long
time?

You offer nothing more compelling than allegations. You only offer your beliefs.
I've two questions for you. But first this what's wrong with this photos of levitation ?
*
1. Have you ever thought what yogi's are doing to the fabric of spacetime when they levitate ?
2. If levitation occurs, what keeps yogi's from flying off into space ?

I feel it's far better to be incredulous than credulous.

* more photos of this fellow can be seen by keyword searching ' yogi levitation'

[Indigo Child]

No, they dd not succeed in remote viewing the Soviets (experimented yes, suceed, no).
Yes, we have researched teleportation. No, they have not succeeded.
Yes, a PhD with questionable testing methods is studying an old man for possible military use.

The point was not to show that either of these researches have been successful, that is another
matter altogether. The point was to answer the why question raised by ciscocop, on why the masters
keep these powers hidden from public view. One of the possible answers is we are irresponsible, and
will ultimately use these powers irresponsibly. And indeed, I have demonstrated that is in fact the case,
even something as basic as a man not eating for 65 years, has been interpreted for its military application.
There are some yogic powers, told by ancient texts, where a blade of grass could be turned into something
like a nuclear weapon(Brahmaastra) Imagine, if this were true, the vast destruction that would be possible.

These powers are dangeorus for people who are not spiritually evolved enough to use them.

BTW, thanks for the link to the Air Force research. Great find!

You're welcome. Look at page 50 onwards, where they mention succesfull experiments
done by the Chinese in psychic teleportation.

[really?]

No, they dd not succeed in remote viewing the Soviets (experimented yes, suceed, no).
Yes, we have researched teleportation. No, they have not succeeded.
Yes, a PhD with questionable testing methods is studying an old man for possible military use.

The point was not to show that either of these researches have been successful, that is another
matter altogether. The point was to answer the why question raised by ciscocop, on why the masters
keep these powers hidden from public view. One of the possible answers is we are irresponsible, and
will ultimately use these powers irresponsibly. And indeed, I have demonstrated that is in fact the case,
even something as basic as a man not eating for 65 years, has been interpreted for its military application.
There are some yogic powers, told by ancient texts, where a blade of grass could be turned into something
like a nuclear weapon(Brahmaastra) Imagine, if this were true, the vast destruction that would be possible.

These powers are dangeorus for people who are not spiritually evolved enough to use them.

BTW, thanks for the link to the Air Force research. Great find!

You're welcome. Look at page 50 onwards, where they mention succesfull experiments
done by the Chinese in psychic teleportation.

You make up all sorts of reasons why they don't, you apologize on their behalf. I posit the real reason these holy men don't demonstrate there powers is because they don't have any.
I wonder if you'll also continue to ignore my previous question on levitation ?