Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

[ciscop]

dude.. you have a psi wheel and believe youtube videos of pk are real

any scientific credentials you think you have are invalidaded thru that
just same boring nonsense from your camp
i know the paranormal is exciting i have a big library on it
i was obsessed with all that stuff before discovering i could fake it
and realizing most people on the field are just gullible, innocent and in some cases.. just stupid

[NucleicAcid]

[ProfWag]

[NucleicAcid]

It's cool I was just intrigued from a psychology point of view because I'm super defensive myself.

[ProfWag]

[NucleicAcid]

This one is not fake. It's not wind. There is a possibility that a vibration knocked it over, but it is unlikely, as the pen is on a solid oak desk.

[ProfWag]

[NucleicAcid]

What the hell do you mean? I know for a FACT it's not faked. Would you like to know how I know with 100% certainty? Ask me, ProfWag, how I know it's not fake.

(and vibration is very unlikely)

Ask me how I know vibration didn't do it.

[ciscop]

This is also not fake..
there´s a possibility he is using wires and the moving background makes it impossible for us to focus and see them.. but nah
it´s not fake

ask me how i know is not fake!

[NucleicAcid]

You asked for a video of telekinesis that is not fake or a magic trick. I showed you a video of that description.

I'm in that room right now. That's my close friend. He's done several times before, including in front of me. I've set the pen on the desk and whacked it in all sorts of ways, blown air at it, and it takes a good deal of force for it to fall over by happenstance. But it's certain that it is not fake, magic trick, gimmick, invisible thread, air blowing, or anything intentionally done doing physical means.

And I am curious about your semantics. How is that not fake? It's deliberately a magic trick. Magic trick = fake.

[ciscop]

what?!?!?1
is not fake!!
i know it in my heart cause i saw him 3 TIMES !
hahahaha

just because you failed to see it
doesnt translate to IS GOTTA BE real


look at this
how do you think he is doing it?
it´s not invisible thread, the nut and the bolt are not gimmicked.. yet there´s something
just because you dont know, it doesnt mean is real
it just mean you didnt see it

you dont really know what to look for
to avoid trickery

that´s my whole point

[NucleicAcid]

[ciscop]

it isnt fake, we dont know what is that
but is not TK
that´s would be the ULTIMATE possible explanation
since science has no room for tk at the moment, lets rule out the simple explanation first
something you didnt see or spotted.
friends can lie, your senses arent perfect (nor nobody)

there´s plenty more things that could have happened

now.. i just did that experiment here in the office
the pen just fell.. it was in another desk
but it happened after 10minutes.. i actually forgot i put it there..
so could it be that your friend is tricking me or that there was air movement?
i just know the pen just felt.. it was actually kind of funny

in your case,
like i said you dont know what to look for
just like the baboons, i mean parapsychologist that studied Uri or the ones that studied banachek and john edwards
that didnt know they were getting tricked by master magicians..
really
dont rule out trickery

or simple explanations my pen just falled, yet nobody entered the office
it was kind of cool.. did the ink went down thus making the pen fall?..
i dont know,
it was cool

but TK is the ultimate explanation
try it again.. put a different kind of pen with a wider base
also.. why a pen?
he could actually move anything isnt it?
or those is gotta be something that is balancing so if it falls he gets to say he did it?

[NucleicAcid]

Well of course, obviously all those things are true. Except trickery.

But my point is, Prof Wag asked for a video of telekinesis that isn't fake. I provided one that I believed to the best of my knowledge to not be fake. You have to start somewhere. If it were one pen, once, then it's probably a fluke. Twice, sure. Several pens, also screwdrivers, dumbbells, geiger counters, and the infamous psi wheel, well now you're building an evidence case. Phenomena often don't have a known mechanism until after they are established.

If you're going to ask "Show me a video that isn't fake" and then promptly declare all videos that are shown are fake, then what is the point? But you asked for one in good faith, and that's what I gave. Otherwise, you're all just pseudoskeptics, antithetical to the whole point of this forum, and a waste of everyone's time.

[Nostradamus]