Discuss Conspiracies and Cover Ups - e.g. 9/11 Truth, JFK Assassination, New World Order, Roswell, Moon Hoax, Secret Societies, etc. whatever conspiracy floats your boat.
Craig Browning wrote:As I explained elsewhere, to have secretly staged a controlled explosion of a facility that massive without anyone noticing, would have been impossible to do, even for a mega secret government agency... just the fact that you have over 2,000 dead people in the aftermath... that many people + in and out of that building covering the bulk of its surface space daily... someone would have noticed something during the 6-8 weeks it would have taken to just pre-stage the site let alone the TONS of explosives they'd have to set into place at the proper locations to do what we all saw happen on the News that morning (and I was watching it live as it happened).
Memory serving me right, the first attempt to bring the towers down involved a 1,000 lb car bomb that really didn't do much but scratch the surface (so to speak) and make lots of smoke; more than anything it was a wake-up call that went ignored (wasn't that during the Regan years???)
I'd really love to know what kind of background this idiot who started this particular line of thought, has. He obviously knows nothing about explosives let along demolition and engineering.
It is not impossible. You only need a few people to place them inside the inner core columns or elevator shafts.
You really have no common sense or critical thinking skills do you?
What's impossible is for a few office fires to plummet through 80,000 tons of steel and concrete like it was thin air. There is not a one in a million chance of that happening. Common sense. Any rational person knows this.
Big question:
Can you provide a VALID HYPOTHESIS for the WTC collapse that accounts for ALL TEN FEATURES, supported by hard evidence and testimonials, besides controlled demolition? For example: molten steel, thermite, squibs, explosions, free fall in the path of greatest resistance, pulverization of dust, etc.
The government, FEMA, NIST, Popular Mechanics, the 9/11 Commission, the JREF debunkers and all other defenders of the official story have all FAILED to do so. Instead, they spout the official fire explanation and nitpick the conspiracy claims, offering NOTHING to support all the data, and ignoring all the hard evidence and facts.
Can YOU do what they've failed to do?
IF YOU CAN, then I will shut up and never say another word about this.
IF YOU CAN'T, then you should ADMIT your ignorance on this matter and that the truth isn't known and that there is a valid case for 9/11 Truth and a new investigation.
There is NO ESCAPE from this.
Your subjective dismissals and psychological fear of the truth does NOT erase the reality, facts, evidence and data.
I await your hypothesis or admittance.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Check out the Russia Today TV report on the photos showing explosives in the WTC!
Description:
New picture releases are shedding light on September 11th, some say they prove that the assault on America proves a homegrown attack. The new photos are provided by US national institute of standards and technology. There are over 2,000 new photos that have been made public. Manny Badillo says that you see an explosion from the inside, not what it has seemed to be, he says there has never been a building taken down by a plane.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Would the global media give something positive coverage if it was BS and not backed by credible valid evidence? I don't think so. And would 1000+architects and engineers with a combined professional experience of 25,000 years sign their name to something that was BS?
There are more than 3x people in AIA than there are years of experience in this fringe group. You attempt to make the numbers look bigger than they are still pales in comparison to the number of other people in the field. And I didn't count civil engineers either. In fact, there are more black engineers than there are years of experience in your fringe clique.
Positive coverage? Laughable.
Credible evidence? Laughable
Scimitars were not available - beware January 19, 2038 is upon us.
Can you provide a VALID HYPOTHESIS for the WTC collapse that accounts for ALL TEN FEATURES, supported by hard evidence and testimonials, besides controlleddemolition ? For example: molten steel, thermite, squibs, explosions, free fall in the path of greatest resistance, pulverization of dust, etc.
molten steel - truther lie Show me one photo of "tons and tons" of molten steel. I already looked and posted photos of minor amounts of melted materials. None were steel. I found more than all of the truther sites put together. thermite - truther lie squibs - truther lie explosions - none during the collapse free fall in the path of greatest resistance - truther lie Nothing collapsing looks down to see where the least resistance is. The collapse followed the path of least energy. pulverization of dust - truther stupidity The dust was wallboard dust a material easily shattered.
Now shut up about this truther stupidity.
Scimitars were not available - beware January 19, 2038 is upon us.
Scepcop wrote: Now think about it. Would the global media give something positive coverage if it was BS and not backed by credible valid evidence? I don't think so. And would 1000+ architects and engineers with a combined professional experience of 25,000 years sign their name to something that was BS? I don't think so...
Okay, I thought about it and now YOU think about this Scepcop: Would the other 99.9%+ architects and engineers with a combined professional experience of millions of years who DID NOT sign that silly petition have done so if they thought there was a shred of credibility to Gage or his claims? Ya', you betchya!
Scepcop wrote: Can you provide a VALID HYPOTHESIS for the WTC collapse that accounts for ALL TEN FEATURES, supported by hard evidence and testimonials, besides controlled demolition? For example: molten steel, thermite, squibs, explosions, free fall in the path of greatest resistance, pulverization of dust, etc.
The government, FEMA, NIST, Popular Mechanics, the 9/11 Commission, the JREF debunkers and all other defenders of the official story have all FAILED to do so. Instead, they spout the official fire explanation and nitpick the conspiracy claims, offering NOTHING to support all the data, and ignoring all the hard evidence and facts.
Can YOU do what they've failed to do?
IF YOU CAN, then I will shut up and never say another word about this.
IF YOU CAN'T, then you should ADMIT your ignorance on this matter and that the truth isn't known and that there is a valid case for 9/11 Truth and a new investigation.
There is NO ESCAPE from this.
Your subjective dismissals and psychological fear of the truth does NOT erase the reality, facts, evidence and data.
I await your hypothesis or admittance.
Scepcop, you have demanded of us, and called us names for not, watching your "spellbinding" videos. I am going to ask of you, no beg of you, to please, please, please read this: http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-W ... -06%20.pdf It provides a very, very valid hypothesis of those Ten Features from a non-governmental and unbiased agency. If you don't want to read it, please tell us why. Wag
It is not impossible. You only need a few people to place them inside the inner core columns or elevator shafts.
You really have no common sense or critical thinking skills do you?
What's impossible is for a few office fires to plummet through 80,000 tons of steel and concrete like it was thin air. There is not a one in a million chance of that happening. Common sense. Any rational person knows this.
Scepcop, not only have I worked ordnance for the U.S. Navy I've worked in and around explosives on several levels for most of my life as the result of simply being part of a very large Appalachian based family filled with coal miners and practical jokers.... I had a uncle whose idea of going fish'n was to toss a stick of TNT into the lake then go out with nets.
Too, as someone that engineers special effects for live shows, I have to understand a bit more than basic engineering and physics. If I screw up people can get seriously injured or worse... same goes with theatrical pyro issues.
Finally, I have been allowed to assist in two implosions over the years, I know how much of what type of explosive is required to blow out the standard support posts. I know that it REQUIRES your to use a hammer drill to set charges into the pillar as well as around them... I believe (*memory serving) there is something between 35 and 50 lbs of blasting material required for each support along with hundreds of feet of primer-chord, electrical connections, etc. You would also need to block all radio and cellular transmissions around the blast zone prior to making everything hot and until the process has been completed. The reason is simple; a cabbie on the street getting a call on his radio is enough to trigger the explosives... two kids playing with walkie-talkies.. same thing!
Another point that you have overlooked is the fact that implosions require that several supporting columns get removed ahead of time and in a specific way so as to control how the building falls, which direction, etc. Even with the more unique construction used in the WTC, this would still have been a requisite for a deliberate blast.
So this is just the preliminary factors your theories and that of this idiot you're worshiping, aren't weighing.
I can assure you, I'm basing things on the common sense you seem to think I'm lacking. I'm also basing it on years of actual experience in around explosives and having to understand architectural stress loads, etc.
In order to accomplish a blast such as we all saw with the 9/11 situation, you would need a minimum of a dozen worker bees that could get into the guts of the structure and do all of this pre-set work without detection... given some of the security in those buildings, that would be physically impossible to do. Ignoring the property management's security & surveillance systems you had security offices of several governments in that facility as well as monster corporations, banks, diamond exchange, etc. ALL OF THEM with state of the art security systems that watched every square inch of that building inside and out. According to one security company those building had more eyes on people than a Vegas Casino and that's saying a lot.
So, how would a dozen terrorist get in and out of these buildings carrying in hundreds of pounds of tools let alone the explosives and everything they would require for actuation?
The logistics simply don't add up.
Sure, taking down a structure like those towers is "easy" at first glance, but not as easy as one might want to believe when it comes to actually doing the foot work. Al Queda saw this when they tried to bring down the towers using a Car Bomb in the garage... great theory but no results!
I really hope you allow yourself to get out of the house more and mingle with normal people. Try listening to the news (not FOX or CNN) and not insert any sort of conspiracy theory into the reports; that's a sure sign of paranoia and if you don't get it under control it can turn into some very dangerous psychological issues... I'm not kidding!
A CORRECTION: I stated "a dozen" worker bees above... that would be per floor, not in total and too, I did not point out how many months of prep time this would involve physically when done out in the open let alone a covert attempt.
Far too many people would be involved which means far too many opportunities for a leak that something was afoot well before it came to past.
Last edited by Craig Browning on Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I did a search for AE911Truth "press conference" for the last week.
Again the results show how ignored the press conference was. Only got 127 hits in TOTAL. Some of which are false positive. Not only did all the major press stay away. It was ignored by most people on the internet. Would have thought some of the quality bloggers would have picked it up. But no. One of the first hits was this site. Another was happierabroad and it was Winston posting. Many of the other hits were obvious 911 sites.
There are heaps of forums, but I get only 13 from forums. Are they all in it too?
The press was notified of the news conference. If they didn't show up, it's because the press failed and likely were told not to show up by their bosses, you know, the few rich, elite people that control all mainstream media.
What a pathetic excuse. Why not say it straight - "The 911 movement does not have many supporters or people who are willing to take it seriously enough to even listen to them."
I cannot see why I should treat 911 seriously. Most of the world ignore it now.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Craig Browning, even if you were right, that doesn't explain how the WTC collapsed from planes hitting it either.
Either way, a lot is unexplained and unaccounted for. The WTC was designed to take multiple plane hits, with fuel of course.
Look at this youtube comment:
"One of the most solid facts about 911: You can't make a WTC tower collapse with only one plane hitting it, because.. a) each WTC tower was built to withstand multiple hits by 757 airliners (the architects can confirm that), b) most of the planes' fuel exploded on impact (many people have seen the fireballs on TV). So, the conclusion. Since the WTC towers collapsed, some additional force had to be used to bring them down. Anyone denying that is denying common sense."
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Scepcop wrote:a) each WTC tower was built to withstand multiple hits by 757 airliners (the architects can confirm that),
Scepcop, I usually don't like to just bust out and degrade people, but because I'm sick and tired of your 9/11 bullcrap, I am going to point something out that shows your ignorance and lack of critical thinking. This states that architects can confirm the WTCs were built to withstand multiple hits by 757 airliners. First off, it was 767s that hit the WTCs and second, 767's weren't built until 9 years AFTER the Twin Towers (757s also weren't built until 10 years after the towers.). Now, I will personally fly to whereever you are and kiss your ass if you can explain how architects can confirm they were built to withstand the hit of a plane that didn't even exist until almost 10 years after the time of construction. BTW, there were many variables that are different than what the designers used in their "withstand the impact" design.
Scepcop wrote:a) each WTC tower was built to withstand multiple hits by 757 airliners (the architects can confirm that),
Scepcop, I usually don't like to just bust out and degrade people, but because I'm sick and tired of your 9/11 bullcrap, I am going to point something out that shows your ignorance and lack of critical thinking. This states that architects can confirm the WTCs were built to withstand multiple hits by 757 airliners. First off, it was 767s that hit the WTCs and second, 767's weren't built until 9 years AFTER the Twin Towers (757s also weren't built until 10 years after the towers.). Now, I will personally fly to whereever you are and kiss your ass if you can explain how architects can confirm they were built to withstand the hit of a plane that didn't even exist until almost 10 years after the time of construction. BTW, there were many variables that are different than what the designers used in their "withstand the impact" design.
I see you take time to post some bullcrap video of Alex claiming he's talking with CNN (wake up Scepcop, he's he's lying to you as he's not talking to anyone but himself), but you ignored my challenge. Why?
