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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Eteponge » 04 Jun 2010, 11:25

Well, you see, my interest in Time Travel and Parallel Universes primarily comes from growing up watching Quantum Leap and Sliders (the later of which was created by Tracy Torme, himself a UFO Researcher).

I think it's very possible. I'd love to see concrete evidence for either. But, as a facts person, I want to know whether or not something is true, rather than just believing something, as belief is useless to me, knowing is everything. Either things are, or they aren't. Right now, there is insufficient data on those topics, but I'd love to see them proven.

I have Carl Sagan's hopefulness though ...

"If we could travel into the past, it's mind-boggling what would be possible. For one thing, history would become an experimental science, which it certainly isn't today. The possible insights into our own past and nature and origins would be dazzling. I have no idea whether it's possible, but it's certainly worth exploring." - Carl Sagan
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby ciscop » 04 Jun 2010, 13:39

parallel dimensions and timelines?
WTF????

is everybody here getting better weed than i get?
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Eteponge » 04 Jun 2010, 14:08

ciscop wrote:parallel dimensions and timelines?
WTF????

is everybody here getting better weed than i get?

Carl Sagan did ...

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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby ciscop » 04 Jun 2010, 15:17

yep
like it or not
he was a genius
he wasnt talking about the possibility of a guy not feeding for 65 years cause thats would be consider superdumb
which some of the people here do

hey lets face it
some of the people here got confused with Lost
but the people that believed in a guy not feeding for 65 years got confused with Sesame street
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Nostradamus » 09 Jun 2010, 05:44

If we compare and contrast the two definitions of skepticisn been cited so far, then it would seem that the definition of skepticism has been corrupted from its original etymology when it was something far more noble and constructive: to inquire, research and examine in order to know the truth of something. The later corrupted definition is on the other hand destructive: to doubt.


This is the sort of ridiculous argument I can expect from Indigo. He assumes that the root of the word is a definite meaning for a word. How poorly you understand language. Or is this just a typical argument you propose through misrepresentation.

So far you have posted little and claim that anyone stating that position has is in error. To paraphrase you, if you are going to present an argument then present a valid reason.

Your penchant for hyperbole amounts to lying such as your claim of a "staggering amount of evidence".
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Nostradamus » 09 Jun 2010, 05:52

You mention science in the hopes of associating your failed claims with science. The belief in UFOs is not science. It is not comparable to science. You are guily of hyperbole and gross misrepresentation. Your claims of "staggering amounts of evidence" is just a blatant lie. And the statements made by eyewitness accounts are not facts. So to claim that someone is falsifying facts is actually weeding out nonsense.
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Indigo Child » 09 Jun 2010, 06:08

"staggering amounts of evidence" is just a blatant lie.


Prowag refused to look at this case. Let's see if you can fare better:

You asked for examples of cases that I think can only be explained by the ETH. Alright then, the following I think can
only be explained by the ETH: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc629.htm

Conclusions
In conclusion, with two highly redundant contacts -- the first with ground radar, combined with both ground and airborne visual observers, and the second with airborne radar, an airborne visual observer, and two different ground radars -- the Bentwaters-Lakenheath UFO incident represents one of the most significant radar-visual UFO cases. Taking into consideration the high credibility of information and the cohesiveness and continuity of accounts, combined with a high degree of "strangeness," it is also certainly one of the most disturbing UFO incidents known today.

Now here is my prediction(I got the last one right remember) You will not be able to explain the data as it stands, so you will falsify the data by either:

1) Fabricating motives for the researchers, personale, witnesses involved in the case
2) Forcing explanations that do not work, such as meteorite, reflections explanations
3) Inventing explanations from the argument of possibility fallacy such as all the radars malfunctioned, mass delusion


Go ahead, make my day :lol:
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby ProfWag » 09 Jun 2010, 08:13

Indigo Child wrote:
Prowag refused to look at this case. Let's see if you can fare better:

Hold on Indigo. Please refer to my post on page 6 of this thread. I would rather not discuss this in fairness to you as I have first-hand knowledge of this case and I asked you to provide another example. I would add that if this is the best you have, you fail. Miserably.
ProfWag wrote:Could you pick another case Indigo please? If you'll refer to my post under the "Share Your Experience" thread and then under "I saw a UFO," you'll find that on Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:52, I had said the following:
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Scepcop wrote:KungFuScience and ProfWag,

How do you explain this famous incident? As you can see, UFO evidence is not confined only to people seeing distant objects in the sky.


Scepcop, if you don't mind, I would like to stay out of the Bentwaters UFO discussion. I was in the Air Force and stationed in the area in the early 1980's and may have knowledge and/or personal bias towards actual events of that sighting. I'm afraid that my discussion on this subject could not lead to anything productive so I respectfully decline your invitation.
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 02:23

I would add that if this is the best you have, you fail. Miserably.


Now you cannot say I fail, without actually showing why I fail. Remember, every
claim must be backed up with evidence.

I really don't understand why you cannot discuss this case, just because you have
a personal involvement in it. However, out of respect, I will find you another case.
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 03:15

Here you go:

Summary: In November, 1986, a Japanese crew of a jumbo freighter aircraft witnessed three unidentified objects while flying over Alaska, USA. This sighting gained international attention when the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced that it was going to officially investigate this sighting because the Air Route Traffic Control Center in Anchorage, Alaska, had reported that the UFO had been detected on radar. The UFOs in this case were tracked on both ground and airborne radar, witnessed by experienced airline pilots, and confirmed by a FAA Division Chief.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case287.htm

What is going to be? Mars and jupiter? Reflections? Hallucination?
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby NinjaPuppy » 10 Jun 2010, 03:19

Whatever it was, it was HUGE! Those illustrations were a real eye opener.
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 03:28

Yep, it's absolutely massive :shock:

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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby ciscop » 10 Jun 2010, 03:36

too bad it was in 1986
now that everybody carries a camera is easier to tell what it is than when it was just stories
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby Scepcop » 24 Sep 2010, 13:56

Another good article I found debunking UFO skeptics:

The Logical Trickery of the UFO Skeptic
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc265.htm

More articles debunking UFO skeptics:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/skepticsanalysis.htm
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Re: Debunking Pseudoskepticism: Common fallacies on ET/UFO

Postby really? » 24 Sep 2010, 19:30

Scepcop wrote:Another good article I found debunking UFO skeptics:

The Logical Trickery of the UFO Skeptic
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc265.htm



More articles debunking UFO skeptics:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/skepticsanalysis.htm


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How does the author know these are extraterrestrial ?
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