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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 04:40

Arouet wrote:The first issue that needs to be overcome is the distance issue. What plausible travel methods are they using?


Celestial bodies!!!

Michio Kaku has talked about the distance problem. We cannot assume that a Type II or III civilization has not overcome this obstacle. Also, why does ET have to be organic? If ET was composed of another element and under different evolutionary means than time, radiation and distance might not be a problem.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 04:49

Misha wrote:
Arouet wrote:The first issue that needs to be overcome is the distance issue. What plausible travel methods are they using?


Celestial bodies!!!

Michio Kaku has talked about the distance problem. We cannot assume that a Type II or III civilization has not overcome this obstacle. Also, why does ET have to be organic? If ET was composed of another element and under different evolutionary means than time, radiation and distance might not be a problem.


Sure, we can't just assume that he haven't overcome the distance problem, but neither can we just assume that they have. These guys aren't just far away - they are REALLY far away. They have to think the trip worth it. They have to figure out how to identify us (the odds that they just come across us given the billions of planets would be astronomical). You sem to indicate there are many of them so they have to be able to do so efficiently. If they take 10,000 years to get here even given different lifespans it is hard to justify. If you're assuming they come from different planets we need to assume that many have figured out the distance problem.

I don't think this is an area to be handwaved away.

Maybe you do have rock-solid evidence that aliens are here and that would indeed greatly affect how we assess the odds of the above- but you haven't put any of it on the table so I can't really do anything with it!
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 06:50

Arouet wrote:
Misha wrote:
Arouet wrote:The first issue that needs to be overcome is the distance issue. What plausible travel methods are they using?


Celestial bodies!!!

Michio Kaku has talked about the distance problem. We cannot assume that a Type II or III civilization has not overcome this obstacle. Also, why does ET have to be organic? If ET was composed of another element and under different evolutionary means than time, radiation and distance might not be a problem.


Sure, we can't just assume that he haven't overcome the distance problem, but neither can we just assume that they have. These guys aren't just far away - they are REALLY far away. They have to think the trip worth it. They have to figure out how to identify us (the odds that they just come across us given the billions of planets would be astronomical). You sem to indicate there are many of them so they have to be able to do so efficiently. If they take 10,000 years to get here even given different lifespans it is hard to justify. If you're assuming they come from different planets we need to assume that many have figured out the distance problem.

I don't think this is an area to be handwaved away.

Maybe you do have rock-solid evidence that aliens are here and that would indeed greatly affect how we assess the odds of the above- but you haven't put any of it on the table so I can't really do anything with it!


Rock solid evidence would mean that disclosure has happened.

Arouet, without having that evidence which only people who have the clearances (I Know two), I can only offer my experience based on who I met, the preponderance of evidence, non-linear associations, certain influential people, particular events I have been privy to, physical side effects, psychological effects, and the outcome having liaised with these entities that tells me that this is all too real. I am more certain of this reality because I have been so close to it. Yes, I have not seen one. I have had two spectacular sightings which are not conventional. However, it's how the National Security State has dealt with my two friends that screams - Holy Cow!!!! Sorry, this is the best I can do without naming names, places or events.

So, if someone put a gun to my head and said that I have a choice on whether this phenomena is real or not and the wrong answer would get me shot, here's my answer. They're real, period! They're here and have been all along.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 07:01

Bit of a catch-22! You may have reliable evidence that you can't disclose, but hard for me to just take it on faith that its there and correctly interpreted.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 07:28

Arouet wrote:Bit of a catch-22! You may have reliable evidence that you can't disclose, but hard for me to just take it on faith that its there and correctly interpreted.


Agreed, Arouet.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 08:24

I'm curious though. What stops someone like you - who believes he has rock solid evidence about aliens on this planet - from blowing the lid on it? Or going through wiki-leaks or some other venue?
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 18:17

Arouet wrote:I'm curious though. What stops someone like you - who believes he has rock solid evidence about aliens on this planet - from blowing the lid on it? Or going through wiki-leaks or some other venue?


Arouet, let's be careful here. This is how memes start. Do we have tangible rock hard evidence on the phenomena, No. What we have are those items listed in my previous post. Does our two black world friends have rock hard evidence also? They do not. Why? Because it would be a violation of the National Security State.

Now what stops us from giving the preponderance of evidence depends mainly on two things. One, safety for the two sources. Two, an agreement by myself and the two sources not to say anything. Three, most people will not believe you. It is even way above the tin-foil heads.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 20:16

ok - guess we gotta leave it at that! Unfortunately from my pespective it leaves a pretty shaky ground to base belief on.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 20:37

Arouet wrote:ok - guess we gotta leave it at that! Unfortunately from my pespective it leaves a pretty shaky ground to base belief on.


Understood. Unfortunately you and the public do not have the benefit of knowing what we know. We would rather inform the public what is going on. However, we tried that and we will not go there again. The "shaky ground" is the public much to our consternation.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 22:28

I'm sorry, i don't know what to do with that comment. Controvercial paradigm-shifting ideas have been introduced, rejected, debated, reformed, accepted all throughout history. Some people might freak out if they knew aliens were here, others would accept it gladly, still others wouldn't give a damn. If the aliens are not a thret the panic will die down. If they are a threat the panic may be justified and the threat must be addressed. The argument about waiting for "the public" to be ready doesn't make any sense. The public is a pretty big group!

I get arguments of national security justifying secrecy. But not "we tried to tell them but they wouldn't listen." You don't have an automatic right to have people accept what you believe. If it is important, then you should look for ways to find more convincing evidence.

You've now switched to "we" incidentally, rather than referring to the people who you said told you of this. I'm not sure who "you" are purporting yourself to be - perhaps you could elaborate?
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 27 Oct 2012, 06:59

Arouet wrote:I'm sorry, i don't know what to do with that comment. Controvercial paradigm-shifting ideas have been introduced, rejected, debated, reformed, accepted all throughout history. Some people might freak out if they knew aliens were here, others would accept it gladly, still others wouldn't give a damn. If the aliens are not a thret the panic will die down. If they are a threat the panic may be justified and the threat must be addressed. The argument about waiting for "the public" to be ready doesn't make any sense. The public is a pretty big group!

I get arguments of national security justifying secrecy. But not "we tried to tell them but they wouldn't listen." You don't have an automatic right to have people accept what you believe. If it is important, then you should look for ways to find more convincing evidence.

You've now switched to "we" incidentally, rather than referring to the people who you said told you of this. I'm not sure who "you" are purporting yourself to be - perhaps you could elaborate?


Hi Arouet,

There are a myriad of concerns of a meltdown about the ET presence. The big problem is the unknown with ET. I think, personally, people the world over will generally handle that ET exists fairly well. It's the bureaucracy which must handle the revelation and function without the system collapsing.

As for your projection that the public must accept what I believe is up to them. I know what I know. That's it. If the public chooses to reject what I have to say then that's up to them. Besides, what is this "automatic right?" As for looking for ways to find convincing evidence you seem to miss the point. Again, the National Security State guarantees that no hard evidence is made available to the public. This includes those who are in the Black Programs. Even if this hard evidence could be obtained would the major media put it out? Highly doubtful. And, the question whether people will be ready for the ET revelation is a simple one. The masses will never be fully ready for such a paradigm shift.

As for we, yes. There are others very close to this. No, I will not elaborate on this.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 27 Oct 2012, 07:50

My suggestion though if you're not prepared to talk in detail about something, maybe don't bother bringing it up in the first place!
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 27 Oct 2012, 08:51

Arouet wrote:My suggestion though if you're not prepared to talk in detail about something, maybe don't bother bringing it up in the first place!


I'll bring up exactly what I want to bring up. If that's ok with you? Just a suggestion.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 27 Oct 2012, 11:14

I'm just saying that its a little jerky to come in and say: "I've got all this evidence of so-and-so but I'm not going to tell you 'cause its top secret"

If its so important to national security for people not to know, why even hint at it in the first place?
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby SydneyPSIder » 27 Oct 2012, 18:22

From a totally different perspective, I have doubts about ET contact by 'govts' for the simple reason that the US govt is not acting as though it has access to any kind of technology transfer by more intelligent beings -- there is an obsessive focus by the US govt on gaining control of the world's remaining hydrocarbon resources, particularly trying to encircle Caspian Sea resources and prevent China and Russia and India from getting those reserves, barging into the Middle East, attempting to corrupt and control or overthrow regimes, etc. These are not the actions of a govt that knows it has access to amazing new energy sources that would allow interstellar travel, for instance. These are the actions of a people scrabbling to control existing known energy reserves.
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