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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby NinjaPuppy » 25 Oct 2012, 22:39

Arouet wrote:Do you have any ideas on how they are getting here?

Yes.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 25 Oct 2012, 22:46

Astronomers are discovering more and more planets in our galaxy that could conceivable support life. There may be billions of them. So it is not a stretch to think that some of them have life, and some may have advanced life (perhaps more or less advanced than us). But there's still a real distance problem - they are very far away.

I also don't know why there would necessarily be widespread panic if they announced themselves. If they have in fact been here for a lon time there may be reason to believe that they are not hostile.

I also wonder how they manage to survive on this planet so well once they come. In War of the Worlds the armies didn't defeat the aliens - viruses did. There is little reason to believe they would be immune to our viruses and would likely have to take precautions such as masks. This would also make it less easy to remain inconspicuous.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby NinjaPuppy » 25 Oct 2012, 22:59

Arouet wrote:Astronomers are discovering more and more planets in our galaxy that could conceivable support life. There may be billions of them. So it is not a stretch to think that some of them have life, and some may have advanced life (perhaps more or less advanced than us). But there's still a real distance problem - they are very far away.

I also don't know why there would necessarily be widespread panic if they announced themselves. If they have in fact been here for a long time there may be reason to believe that they are not hostile.

I also wonder how they manage to survive on this planet so well once they come. In War of the Worlds the armies didn't defeat the aliens - viruses did. There is little reason to believe they would be immune to our viruses and would likely have to take precautions such as masks. This would also make it less easy to remain inconspicuous.

Excellent post!

I'd like to address this-
Arouet wrote:I also don't know why there would necessarily be widespread panic if they announced themselves.

How about if Geraldo Rivera was the one to announce them? Widespread panic can be caused if the media so decides on just about any hot topic. As for being 'hostile'... well, if you've got the intelligence to get here, I'd think that they would have some pretty advanced defense systems in stock too. We as humans would likely shoot first and ask questions later if some creepy looking alien was seen walking down Main Street. Heck, there's plenty of people who would shoot a perfectly normal looking being if their spaceship took up 6 parking spaces at the danged mall at Christmas time.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 25 Oct 2012, 23:15

I got the sense that Misha was saying that these aliens are in contact with our world leaders and have been working with them.

We'd also have much to fear from any viruses that they brought with them. But they won't necessarily mean us harm. There are plenty of resource rich planets out there to mine - and if they are planning on using humans as a work-force they seem to be taking their time doing it - why let us waste all the resources? And how efficient would it be to mine us for resources? They still have to get it back to their planet. And they'd still have to not kill us or themselves by viruses. As for living here - you'd think there'd be planets closer to where they are from that would be more convenient to habitate. So I don't know that' its a given that they'd be hostile.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby NinjaPuppy » 25 Oct 2012, 23:47

Arouet wrote:I got the sense that Misha was saying that these aliens are in contact with our world leaders and have been working with them.


It's always possible. Considering that much of this topic is pure speculation, it's not that far of a reach to throw just about anything into the pot here.

Arouet wrote:We'd also have much to fear from any viruses that they brought with them.

Perhaps their planet requires mandatory vaccinations and they have eliminated all disease. I mean we're talking about a super intelligent group of beings here, so I'd think that disease would be addressed as aggressively as space travel.

Arouet wrote:But they won't necessarily mean us harm. There are plenty of resource rich planets out there to mine - and if they are planning on using humans as a work-force they seem to be taking their time doing it - why let us waste all the resources?

Why attach a 'need' on their part to come here? We travel for many reasons, why can't other beings do the same? Perhaps we amuse them so coming here might be like us going to Disney. Maybe we (humans) are like fish in an aquarium and the spaceships and aliens are like the shipwreck and diver that we buy at the pet store.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 01:02

Arouet wrote:I got the sense that Misha was saying that these aliens are in contact with our world leaders and have been working with them.

We'd also have much to fear from any viruses that they brought with them. But they won't necessarily mean us harm. There are plenty of resource rich planets out there to mine - and if they are planning on using humans as a work-force they seem to be taking their time doing it - why let us waste all the resources? And how efficient would it be to mine us for resources? They still have to get it back to their planet. And they'd still have to not kill us or themselves by viruses. As for living here - you'd think there'd be planets closer to where they are from that would be more convenient to habitate. So I don't know that' its a given that they'd be hostile.


Hi Arouet,

Let me dispel this right away. World leaders are not in contact with "them." They do not have a need to know. Governments come and go (Provisional). However, "the Powers to Be" or "Permanent Government" do know. And this is compartmentalized big time.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 01:05

Misha wrote:
Arouet wrote:I got the sense that Misha was saying that these aliens are in contact with our world leaders and have been working with them.

We'd also have much to fear from any viruses that they brought with them. But they won't necessarily mean us harm. There are plenty of resource rich planets out there to mine - and if they are planning on using humans as a work-force they seem to be taking their time doing it - why let us waste all the resources? And how efficient would it be to mine us for resources? They still have to get it back to their planet. And they'd still have to not kill us or themselves by viruses. As for living here - you'd think there'd be planets closer to where they are from that would be more convenient to habitate. So I don't know that' its a given that they'd be hostile.


Hi Arouet,

Let me dispel this right away. World leaders are not in contact with "them." They do not have a need to know. Governments come and go (Provisional). However, "the Powers to Be" or "Permanent Government" do know. And this is compartmentalized big time.


Doesn't change the basic point.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 01:12

Arouet wrote:
Misha wrote:
Arouet wrote:I got the sense that Misha was saying that these aliens are in contact with our world leaders and have been working with them.

We'd also have much to fear from any viruses that they brought with them. But they won't necessarily mean us harm. There are plenty of resource rich planets out there to mine - and if they are planning on using humans as a work-force they seem to be taking their time doing it - why let us waste all the resources? And how efficient would it be to mine us for resources? They still have to get it back to their planet. And they'd still have to not kill us or themselves by viruses. As for living here - you'd think there'd be planets closer to where they are from that would be more convenient to habitate. So I don't know that' its a given that they'd be hostile.


Hi Arouet,

Let me dispel this right away. World leaders are not in contact with "them." They do not have a need to know. Governments come and go (Provisional). However, "the Powers to Be" or "Permanent Government" do know. And this is compartmentalized big time.


Doesn't change the basic point.


What is the basic point?
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 01:19

Was there something in my post that was inclear? If so let me know, and I'll try and clarify.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 01:34

Arouet wrote:Was there something in my post that was inclear? If so let me know, and I'll try and clarify.


I am only interested in responding to your specific statement on "World leaders." This is what I clarified.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 01:36

Misha wrote:
Arouet wrote:Was there something in my post that was inclear? If so let me know, and I'll try and clarify.


I am only interested in responding to your specific statement on "World leaders." This is what I clarified.


Ok, but then you probably weren't really interested in my point anyways!
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 03:07

Arouet wrote:
Misha wrote:
Arouet wrote:Was there something in my post that was inclear? If so let me know, and I'll try and clarify.


I am only interested in responding to your specific statement on "World leaders." This is what I clarified.


Ok, but then you probably weren't really interested in my point anyways!


Arouet,

I am only going to stay with what I know. If someone asks me a specific question or makes a specific statement on this topic than I will go with that only. Like I said, I have been given a glimpse on the inside with this phenomena. It is so big and there is so much garbage out there on it too. Please do not be offended on this. Hell, I had to learn the same way from the guys who know.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 03:14

Sure, but there's not much to discuss if you're not going to say anything more about what your information is.

Again: I have no conceptual problem with the idea of aliens visiting our planet. But there are some very practical problems that I haven't really heard any plausible possible resolutions to to make it seem likely that it has actually happened.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Misha » 26 Oct 2012, 04:11

Arouet wrote:Sure, but there's not much to discuss if you're not going to say anything more about what your information is.

Again: I have no conceptual problem with the idea of aliens visiting our planet. But there are some very practical problems that I haven't really heard any plausible possible resolutions to to make it seem likely that it has actually happened.


Yes, I understand the dilemma. It's more mine than yours. Let me try this if your willing to put up with it. If you have questions on the subject and its practical problems than let me pick and choose what to answer. By no means am I trying to pass myself off as an authority with the phenomena. Yes, I am very well grounded in the history of the UFO/ET hypothesis. However, what I do know pertains to a specific program which I have learned by being in the field. Yes, there are many programs that are ongoing with the extraterrestrial equation. No one authority has all the information.

What has to be clear when evaluating this phenomena is that "governments" do not possess the information. This means the United States congress. They do not have the necessary clearances. Presidents do not have a need to know. And the military, specifically their departments are not privy to this information. If one does not possess a TS/SCI clearance relative to a specific program than they will not know either. This phenomena is that cellular.
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Re: Simple questions on UFO

Postby Arouet » 26 Oct 2012, 04:14

The first issue that needs to be overcome is the distance issue. What plausible travel methods are they using?
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