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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby August West » 07 Feb 2012, 13:10

See folks, Craig is revealing his level of intellect, with each new post he sounds more like a troubled child with Tourette's syndrome.

Don't worry, Craig, people in here aren't reading my posts and realizing you don't know what you're talking about. I'm sure they're reading YOUR posts and realizing you don't know what you're talking about.

So it seems Craig is just too darn smart to learn anything about aliens from a guy like me. He mockingly talks about "basking in the glow of [my] unquestioned knowledge". He goes so far as to state that I am "full of sh*t", that I am not actually an alien abductee. That is his expert opinion. After all, I'm not "unsure" I was abducted, or "worried I'm loosing [sic] my marbles", which is how all alien abductees act, at least according to Craig Browning, alien abductee expert at large.

You know who wasn't as smart as Craig Browning? Budd Hopkins. Budd was regarded as the most important alien abduction researcher in the world, his recent passing has left a huge void in this area of research. As with the passing of Budd's colleague Dr. John Mack, Budd's loss is immeasurable. Thankfully, we have his research.

But Budd Hopkins wasn't as smart as Craig Browning, because Budd Hopkins stated that my family's experiences were "an important abduction case". Where did Budd Hopkins state that? He stated that on CNN's Larry King Live.

Budd heard about our case, I spoke to Budd on the phone several times, both myself and my brother, and Budd realized we were telling the truth. Unlike Craig. Budd came to my home, along with another researcher of note, and for days they investigated our case extensively. We put them up at a local Bed and Breakfast, but after documenting our case during the day, he was our dinner guest each night. And what a dinner guest he was, he sat in the chair I'm sitting in now, we drank my wine and told me things that were just astonishing, he was at the center of all of this. For example, he was telling me about a case where the person was abducted in the 1920s. I had no idea that alien abduction in the modern era started that early. He was fascinating, and he was so convinced our case was genuine, and important, that he briefly said so on Larry King, before he was interrupted.

Budd was an enormous help to my and my entire family, and we will always be grateful to him.

Of course, according to Craig, Budd was only "cosigning my delusion", it seems. Guess we all can't be the expert ol' Craig here is.
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby Jayhawker30 » 07 Feb 2012, 15:18

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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby ProfWag » 07 Feb 2012, 21:46

August West wrote:. He was fascinating, and he was so convinced our case was genuine, and important, that he briefly said so on Larry King, before he was interrupted.

Is this the mention of your case you were referring too August?

"I was just dealing with a police sergeant who was abducted. His family, seven people, saw the craft coming at rooftop height in the middle of the afternoon over their picnic. And he was --

KING: Why.

We're running out of time. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... kl.01.html
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby Arouet » 07 Feb 2012, 22:27

Found the thread on the Skeptic forum. Looks like OP was banned and his posts deleted, but you can get the gist from when he was quoted.

http://www.skepticforum.mu.nu/viewtopic ... 90&t=12898
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby Arouet » 07 Feb 2012, 22:32

Here's the skeptic friend's forum one: OP was banned but posts still there:

http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/top ... hichpage=1
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby August West » 07 Feb 2012, 23:18

Professor Wag, well done, sir. Yes, that is us. How did you manage to find that? I'm impressed by your effort.
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby August West » 07 Feb 2012, 23:28

Arouet, well done as well, although I'm disappointed they deleted all my posts. That place was not remotely interested in giving my experiences a fair hearing. In fact, from the get-go the moderator accused me of being a sock-puppet for a previous poster.

lol I had forgotten I invented the word "sargasm"...when a person is overly enjoying being sarcastic to the point of sexual pleasure...silly, but apt. COPYRIGHTED
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby ProfWag » 08 Feb 2012, 00:49

August West wrote:Professor Wag, well done, sir. Yes, that is us. How did you manage to find that? I'm impressed by your effort.

Well, it took a considerable amount of time and back breaking, pain staking work. I had to click on my "google" icon, type in "Budd Hopkins Larry King Transcript" and then wait about .78 seconds.
Between you and Scepcop, I really need to start charging money for my google searches... :)
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby August West » 25 Mar 2012, 04:52

yep, you can google. is that how you became a professor?
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby Mistislav D'ralle » 26 Mar 2014, 11:34

Arouet wrote:Found the thread on the Skeptic forum. Looks like OP was banned and his posts deleted, but you can get the gist from when he was quoted.

http://www.skepticforum.mu.nu/viewtopic ... 90&t=12898


Howdy, I know this is an old thread.

The posts by "Le Pensieur" (The Thinker) were deleted by Le Pensieur, himself. Le Pensieur fabricated a story about himself and his family, together and in separate groups, being abducted from their home and taken to a secret alien base on earth. By engaging him, we were able to get him to spread this same story over many of his posts and indeed, Le Pensieur stated the number of times he and his family were taken away and a UFO landed in his street or backyard to do this.

However, he forgot about the "return trips". Le Pensieur couldn't explain how he got back home from the alien secret base. ( Perhaps a Greyhound bus departing from the secret alien base). For this reason he deleted all his posts to hide the fabrications.

There were other minor paradoxes in his story. During one abduction trip he overheard using ESP two aliens discussing him and he quoted their exact words......in English. (Think about it). Sometimes Le Pensieur claimed the aliens could float through doors and floors, but other times they had to use mind control to get him to open the backdoor to let them in.

What was going on was that he was presenting a rambling story over a few threads and forgot what he said previously. Rather than point out inconsistencies early on, we asked him to elaborate his current stories and then presented them to him in "one go" with a please explain.

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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby Schrodinger's Cat » 26 Mar 2014, 21:19

Mistislav D'ralle wrote:
Arouet wrote:Found the thread on the Skeptic forum. Looks like OP was banned and his posts deleted, but you can get the gist from when he was quoted.

http://www.skepticforum.mu.nu/viewtopic ... 90&t=12898


Howdy, I know this is an old thread.

The posts by "Le Pensieur" (The Thinker) were deleted by Le Pensieur, himself. Le Pensieur fabricated a story about himself and his family, together and in separate groups, being abducted from their home and taken to a secret alien base on earth. By engaging him, we were able to get him to spread this same story over many of his posts and indeed, Le Pensieur stated the number of times he and his family were taken away and a UFO landed in his street or backyard to do this.

However, he forgot about the "return trips". Le Pensieur couldn't explain how he got back home from the alien secret base. ( Perhaps a Greyhound bus departing from the secret alien base). For this reason he deleted all his posts to hide the fabrications.

There were other minor paradoxes in his story. During one abduction trip he overheard using ESP two aliens discussing him and he quoted their exact words......in English. (Think about it). Sometimes Le Pensieur claimed the aliens could float through doors and floors, but other times they had to use mind control to get him to open the backdoor to let them in.

What was going on was that he was presenting a rambling story over a few threads and forgot what he said previously. Rather than point out inconsistencies early on, we asked him to elaborate his current stories and then presented them to him in "one go" with a please explain.

Matthew Ellard


After reading the entire thread here, what strikes me is that 'August West' fails to grasp the general principle that the onus is on him to demonstrate that what he says is true, not on everyone else to demonstrate that it isn't. Simply coming on with a 'here's my story...why won't you guys believe it ?' attitude is not going to work on any rational person. I'm not going to laugh, or sneer, or personally attack the claimant, but I'm never going to be outright convinced by the anecdotal evidence of just one person. The Phoenix lights ( the earlier, 8pm phenomenon ) were witnessed by several hundred people...now THAT is impressive anecdotal evidence and after watching some of those witnesses I have no doubt whatever that they saw something. Even Travis Walton has some supporting witnesses ( albeit friends ) for his abduction. But a story presented by a single witness ? It is perfectly reasonable for people to demand rather more supporting evidence before taking it seriously. That doesn't mean we should scoff, but it most certainly does mean we should not just blindly accept the witnesses claim without reservation.
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby Schrodinger's Cat » 27 Mar 2014, 04:27

justintime wrote:I suspect most skeptics believe in extraterrestrial aliens. Carl Sagan did an incredible job as a skeptical scientist to convince skeptics of their existence. He initiated the search for ETI and set off a movement dedicated to contacting aliens. What most skeptics don't believe is alien encounters of the earthly kind or alien abduction the sort that you have experienced.
I have been banned from several skeptic forums including the ones you mentioned and I am not even an alien abductee. I can certainly vouch for you skeptic forums are a support group for disparate and insecure individuals who like to believe there is a place for doubters, individuals suffering from uncertainty who question even generally accepted conclusions. People like you would appear quite alien to them, excuse the pun.
The only question I have is why an advanced civilization capable of travelling millions of light year to reach earth would not bring along a language translator with an attached printer. But do continue.
Oooops! It looks like you have been exposed.


The irony is indeed that Carl Sagan believed there were possibly a million civilisations in our galaxy, yet that same Carl Sagan spent a good deal of time dismissing any hint that any of those hordes of aliens might be coming here !

And why ? Solely because of the oft quoted phrase that ' you can't exceed the speed of light'....as if that means there's no possibility aliens could get here. And yet in the very next breath Sagan argues that an advanced civilisation could spread across the galaxy in only 100,000 years. So there's hordes of aliens, all hell bent on colonial expansion...yet at the same time its 'impossible' that any could be coming Earth's way.

And what about Fermi's paradox ? Where are all the aliens ? Why bother asking, if one is going to just casually dismiss all evidence that they might already be here ?

Such is the ridiculous 'logic' of the sceptical position. I agree with them that there is no conclusive evidence for UFOs being ETs, but I find the general tone of scoffing and sneering about UFOs totally unscientific.
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby SydneyPSIder » 27 Mar 2014, 11:23

Since we're on the topic, re the notion of bringing a translator and a printer, I don't know why aliens would need to keep abducting people and probing them in mysterious ways to find out how their bodies worked, all they would have to do is disguise themselves and walk into any med school bookstore and buy up all the detailed medical textbooks -- with pictures -- that they needed. Or levitate them out of there or break in at night, etc.

So then there's the theories that their DNA is decaying or some such rot and they need our DNA to sort themselves out...
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby Schrodinger's Cat » 27 Mar 2014, 12:15

SydneyPSIder wrote:Since we're on the topic, re the notion of bringing a translator and a printer, I don't know why aliens would need to keep abducting people and probing them in mysterious ways to find out how their bodies worked, all they would have to do is disguise themselves and walk into any med school bookstore and buy up all the detailed medical textbooks -- with pictures -- that they needed. Or levitate them out of there or break in at night, etc.

So then there's the theories that their DNA is decaying or some such rot and they need our DNA to sort themselves out...


One does also have to wonder why beings who can travel half way across the galaxy, perform 400G aerobatic turns, have craft that can split in two and reform, perform mind reading and telepathy, can float people through windows, make them forget the whole incident afterwards, and so on.....NEED to perform the medieval procedure of shoving a probe up someone's bum.
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Re: I was viciously attacked in two skeptics forums

Postby SydneyPSIder » 27 Mar 2014, 12:52

then there's my critique of the idea of parallel evolution producing bipedal 'greys' with rotating cuff shoulders, forward-facing eyes, human face, opposable thumbs etc -- given that our appearance is descended directly from tree-dwelling primates with forward facing eyes to spot and pick fruit, spade fingernails instead of claws to open the fruit up, opposable thumbs simply to hang on to branches, rotating shoulder joints to swing through the trees (dogs and cats don't have these), and bipedalism evolving in the last 5 million years or so due to the Kenyan Rift opening up and trapping some tree dwelling chimps on the savannah side, who had to learn to run to hunt down prey. So of course aliens from Sirius had this exact same path of evolution, apart from going on to invent faster than light space travel etc.
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