Video of mysterious blue spiral lights over Norway

[Nostradamus]

OK so you pick one out of all the sessions that may not have had such target contact and a person who cant fight their corner - brave of you - lets just stick to my session as I'm the one discussing with you.

OK yes in HINDSIGHT you could go out and match another news target to my rv data - but all this is done in public, in advance and the target chosen later. But your missing the point.

weeks in advance we rv'd a target.
an event that didn't happen until days later.
then this as a target wasn't even chosen until weeks after all this.

Now does my predictive data match the (later) chosen target or not - a simple yes or no?

To correct the initial mistake - I used multiple sessions, not one. So your initial paragraph and claims are wrong.
I looked at the reports and saw no connection whatsoever to the spiral lights. I read back through the reports and suddenly an event came to mind that I compared to the reports and found matches all over the place, not 100%, but more than the 0% for the spiral lights.

I'm not missing the point. The answer to the simple question is NO.

[Nostradamus]

I should also point out that I tried to avoid looking at the comments on the reports to avoid tainting my impression with another person's impressions. I read something about the viewer seeing or perceiving or something like that and stopped reading right away.

[ProfWag]

profwag:

We can't begin to answer that question without knowing if this was actually done prior to the event. Do you have any projections pending that we could follow along with now?

LOL read the website.

Multiple Universes RV Project Session Download Page

Overview:These sessions were done in November 2009, and they describe the Norwegian spiral anomaly that occurred on 9 December 2009. Please click on the yellow banner below to see the full target specification, which includes links to a video and an article regarding the event. This uses remote viewing to predict a future event.

The rv sessions were ALL done before December and posted online in public. But zipped so they couldnt be opened until a key was given.
We were attempting to describe a news event someone would pick weeks later randomly.
the target was then chosen as per the page.

Nostradamus said:

Um ... No.
I am looking though the Debra_HRVG.pdf document. I can't find much of a link. I could really stretch things and shoe horn them. I already have another event in mind for December 2009 that is a much better fit.
I am looking at the Maria_HRVG.pdf and it matches something else much better. It's the same as what I decided was a good match for Debra.

OK so you pick one out of all the sessions that may not have had such target contact and a person who cant fight their corner - brave of you - lets just stick to my session as I'm the one discussing with you.

OK yes in HINDSIGHT you could go out and match another news target to my rv data - but all this is done in public, in advance and the target chosen later. But your missing the point.

weeks in advance we rv'd a target.
an event that didn't happen until days later.
then this as a target wasn't even chosen until weeks after all this.

Now does my predictive data match the (later) chosen target or not - a simple yes or no?

daz

I did read your website Daz and I stand by my statement. This is March, 2010. You said that you did this RV in November 2009 and the event happened in December 2010. How do I know that you didn't make that date up? I'm not saying you did, but even if you had drawn a missle with USSR on the side of it wouldn't prove anything if you don't tell us about it until months after the fact. People (okay, skeptics) need to be aware of your experiments prior to claiming the paranormal. It's the same thing I've tried to get through to The Professor. Making a claim after the fact doesn't do anything which is why I asked if you had any pending experiments that we could follow along with.
Wag

[dazsmith]

look i may in theses posts have got the date wrong - the recorded date is on the actual cover page for each of the remote viewing sessions and handwritten at the top of page 1 of my actual remote viewing session.
http://www.farsight.org/demo/Multiple_U ... _small.pdf
the summary (end) and the pages record the date 30.11.2009.

All the rv sessions were posted on the website in public by Dec 4th 2009 for anyone to download for this target.
The event we described happened a few days later.
the actual random news event chosen for us as the target was chosen in January 2010.
We aren't making any claims after the fact - everything is posted online for people to download in public and has been for two years to experiments.
You could have followed along with this experiment at the time - but its now closed ready to start a new year long experiment.

daz

[dazsmith]

Nostradamous said:

I looked at the reports and saw no connection whatsoever to the spiral lights.

what you mean like the data on page 7 that reads:

lots of converging lines to a single point.
A flow - focus of energy. Moved thru a single point.

page 8 sketch of concentric circles with a dark object in the middle.
The data for this object read:
'central, hard, grey, metallic hub - feels tooled - man made'.
'silver/grey, cold hard - smooth curves'.
At the centre of this it feels like a very dense, complicated component with miscoscopic parts to this.
This feels like a container for something.

and my page 9 sketch that looks like the body of a missile and has the words:
Long, grey, sectional, manmade structure - star wars feel?

And this in your opinion has nothing to do with the shooting down of a missile?


so if I give you another example form the same experiment:
http://www.farsight.org/demo/Multiple_U ... h2009.html
I suppose even though I draw and write a 'tornado' none of my data in this one also fits this target?

daz

daz

[ciscop]

A simple explanation is that it is an out of control rocket. Is there any evidence that it is anything else?

Doesn't look like a rocket to me. Anyone can give an explanation. But critical thinkers do not believe every explanation given to them. Where is the evidence that this is a rocket? Or are you, tiger, overly eager to accept any nonparanormal explanation that you have no standards?

Remember Roswell was dismissed a balloon too, which later turned out to be a cover and not the truth. The government admitted it too and changed their story several times.

everything is a conspiracy isnt?
man.. is gotta be interesting living in your head

[Nostradamus]

Daz I'll get back to you more shortly. For now though I have to point out this comment

lots of converging lines to a single point.
A flow - focus of energy. Moved thru a single point.

I read that and that is in no way a spiral. And the rest of that about focus of energy means nothing to me.

The rest of it sounds to me more like the description of a cell phone. In fact it sounds like a vague description for my clam shell phone.

[Nostradamus]

and my page 9 sketch that looks like the body of a missile and has the words:
Long, grey, sectional, manmade structure - star wars feel?

I pulled up your p9 and I don't think think what's drawn on that page looks anything like a rocket or missile. You also left off the word 'factory'.

On stage 1 you write something like: layered upwards (not related to a spiral in the sky or a rocket)
Space internal areas and architectural features is also written
On the next page it says life and energy and a few other words.

Here is where I take energy to be in a sense other than the sense of physics.

On p4 there are lots of words such as: knocking creaking loud bright high salty electrical hum hadron collider heavy large solid thick

In stage 3 we see a few repeats plus a few contradictory terms: linear and curved, dark which conflicts with light on the previous page, and maybe the terms solid and spacious

The word thick says very thick and to the right it says feed pipe

The drawing on p7 where it talks about converging lines is anything but a spiral. The same page also says something about a small linear shape.

On the next page, p8 the comment on the side says MRI scanner.

On p9 there is a drawing which means nothing to me and manmade, some words words and on the right side it says factory.

On p10 it says fiber optic cable and connected linear structure supporting a long linear structure.

p11 shows what might be a cable for electronics equipment and a few words I had trouble reading.

So when all of this has been reviewed by me I have no idea why anyone would suggest that this is anything above ground level.

[Nostradamus]

I have another idea that matches this a bit better. I hope to find out because someone may know my idea.

p2 - It says layered upwards solid angular edges and has a note of architectural features. I look again and that is a fair fit
It also says spaced internal areas. That fits
p3 - nothing fits
p4 - knocking creaking loud - I have not been there myself but from similar experiences it might be true
gray black white blues bright and high all fit well
salty and fresh are both hits with me
The hadron collider note is completely wrong
heavy, large, sectional, separated, spaced, wide open, arranged might fit

p5 - large, curved, man made, flat supported structure, spacious open, chambered
p6 - very dense flow, feed pipe, center might be hits
p7 - converging lines seems like it might be a hit
p8 - the silver/gray man made and feels like a container for something might be a hit, the MRI scanner is a total miss
p9 - the tube structure is okay, the factory is a hit only in a funny way, and star wars is a miss
p10 - the dark tunnel like and fiber optic cable are probably misses
The connected linear structures around a long linear structure might be a hit
The linear accelerator note is a total miss
p11 - nothing

So overall I might pick my choice over a failed launch seen in Norway.

[ProfWag]

I have to agree with ND. The statements are just too vague to be of any use to anything. Had there been a small airplane that spiraled out of control, you could have made the same comparison. And small plane crashes happen all the time. I understand that identifying the piece of fruit on my desk is "boring," but if you were to RV my office and tell me there is a yellow, slightly curved object, about the size of a large penis, laying on the corner of my desk, that would be much more impressive.