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Are the British police using psychics?

Postby Nostradamus » 08 Dec 2009, 04:26

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6087899/Psychic-detective-claims-that-he-helps-police-by-contacting-murder-victims-on-the-other-side.html


From the article:
Earlier this month it emerged that Dyfed Powys Police had spent £20,000 launching a murder inquiry based on information passed on by a medium on what turned out to be a suicide, as originally thought.


In a newspaper interview he said he had a possible name for the killer of Stephan or Stephen White, and said that he could have been a delivery driver aged between 24 and 26.

The Met would again not discuss whether or not Mr Power's tips had been followed up.

The killer was eventually caught through his DNA - Mark Dixie, 38, a chef, was found guilty of Miss Bowman’s murder last year.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby ProfWag » 08 Dec 2009, 04:35

Nostradamus wrote:
From the article:
Earlier this month it emerged that Dyfed Powys Police had spent £20,000 launching a murder inquiry based on information passed on by a medium on what turned out to be a suicide, as originally thought.


For those of you who live in the fine country of England, those are your tax dollars hard at work...
There are many, many more just like this story though, all over the world. In the US, I would like to make it illegal for any mediums to become involved in a police investigation. It's just a waste of taxpayer dollars and police resources. IMHO as usual.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 08 Dec 2009, 07:19

ProfWag wrote:
Nostradamus wrote:
From the article:
Earlier this month it emerged that Dyfed Powys Police had spent £20,000 launching a murder inquiry based on information passed on by a medium on what turned out to be a suicide, as originally thought.


For those of you who live in the fine country of England, those are your tax dollars hard at work...
There are many, many more just like this story though, all over the world. In the US, I would like to make it illegal for any mediums to become involved in a police investigation. It's just a waste of taxpayer dollars and police resources. IMHO as usual.

What about the cost of just good old 'anonymous tips'? There have got to be a slew of those costing tax payers plenty of money.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby Nostradamus » 08 Dec 2009, 08:44

The problem with tips, regardless of the source psychic or whatever, the police often are obliged to follow them up. The cost is the wasted manpower, not paying the tipster.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby ProfWag » 08 Dec 2009, 20:12

Tips can actually pan out to help quite often, psychics don't appear to have the same success rate.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 08 Dec 2009, 20:17

Nostradamus wrote:The problem with tips, regardless of the source psychic or whatever, the police often are obliged to follow them up. The cost is the wasted manpower, not paying the tipster.

Exactly. Some tipsters are paid for their information but usually only paid after their tip proves to be a good lead. There used to be 'paid' informants back in the day. I don't know if the police still do that sort of thing.
ProfWag wrote:Tips can actually pan out to help quite often, psychics don't appear to have the same success rate.

How do you know that some good tips aren't called in by psychics who prefer to remain anonymous?
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby The Warrigal » 09 Dec 2009, 12:53

I am aware of Police in New South Wales consulting a psychic in relation to two unsolved murders in this State and one very suspicious disappearance of two people and their vehicle.

All of these cases date to the 1970's, so I guess consulting with a psychic after all other investigative avenues had been exhausted was probably a measure of last resort for NSW Police.

Unfortunately, the psychics input has not helped in those cases and they are still open investigations.

However the psychic, who was consulted sometime in the late late 1980's, did say something which was interesting in relation to the missing persons case.

She said that everybody thought that this was murder but that it was in reality a freak accident and that she "saw" the van losing the road and plunging into a gorge where it ended up sunk in water.

She added that the van and the bodies of the missing persons would not be discovered until "the second decade of the next century." - (Or words to that effect).

So maybe we will eventually know wether she was right or not!

She also said that the two murders would never be solved.

I cannot recall any other instance in which Australian Police have ever publicaly consulted a psychic.

Regarding the issue of anonymous tip.

These can come from literally anyone, so as NP points out, we cannot rule out the possibility that at least some of them might have come from people who accessed their information by psychic means.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby ProfWag » 10 Dec 2009, 04:18

NinjaPuppy wrote:
Nostradamus wrote:The problem with tips, regardless of the source psychic or whatever, the police often are obliged to follow them up. The cost is the wasted manpower, not paying the tipster.

Exactly. Some tipsters are paid for their information but usually only paid after their tip proves to be a good lead. There used to be 'paid' informants back in the day. I don't know if the police still do that sort of thing.
ProfWag wrote:Tips can actually pan out to help quite often, psychics don't appear to have the same success rate.

How do you know that some good tips aren't called in by psychics who prefer to remain anonymous?

Hmmmm, well, I guess I don't have any proof of that. I was going off "sterotype" that if a psychic helped solve a crime, they would want to prove it to enhance their own business and notoriety. But, I guess there could be a psychic out there who would prefer to be anonymous when they called the police with a misguided tip...errr, urrr, uhm, I mean tell them what their psychic vision was.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby The Warrigal » 10 Dec 2009, 05:34

ANECDOTE WARNING AHEAD!!

In the early 1990's, a serial murderer named Ivan Milat was active in the Belangalo State Forrest, raping and thence killing young backpackers and sundry hitchhikers.

Shortly before NSW Police found the body of what would prove to be the first of many victims, or even before this infamous case had hit the headlines, a mate of mine who is about as psychic as me, - (meaning "lead ingot" psychic), - told me, - (and he WAS visibly perturbed when he shared this with me),- that as he was buying ammo at Horsly Park Gun Store he had an almost overpoweringly strong sense that a mass killer had just left the shop ahead of him.

My mate also said that he had a feeling of near certainty that this man was of East European birth, and was employed as a road worker in the Belangolo area.

He also thought that the killer was short, but powerfully built and worked with an accomplice.

A day, or so, after this strange conversation, my sister was driving through the area in question, - (I had said nothing of this to anybody), - that as she went past a line of workman's huts that she had this "creepy" feeling that there was a man living there who was killing young people and dumping their bodies in the bushland.

I believe the informants myself, but whatever they may have picked up was hardly the sort of thing that you could take to Police!

Neither of these people are "woos" or likely to report a mere intuition to Police as factual information.

Yet, both of them recounted accurate details of this case looong before it was even an official
investigation, much less a media circus.

I don't believe in "psychic detectives."

However, I do think it possible that even the most unlikely people can have profound flashes of intiution about people, places and events.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 10 Dec 2009, 05:53

ProfWag wrote:
NinjaPuppy wrote:How do you know that some good tips aren't called in by psychics who prefer to remain anonymous?

Hmmmm, well, I guess I don't have any proof of that. I was going off "sterotype" that if a psychic helped solve a crime, they would want to prove it to enhance their own business and notoriety. But, I guess there could be a psychic out there who would prefer to be anonymous when they called the police with a misguided tip...errr, urrr, uhm, I mean tell them what their psychic vision was.
Shame on me...

No. Shame on those people who call and claim to be psychic to further their Miss Cleo, cold readings side business with a hunch in the hopes that they will get their 15 minutes of fame. That includes people like Mr. Balloon Boy and every other person out there dreaming of book deals and TV appearances who take advantage of any sort of current event for the picking.

Personally I don't believe that there are people out there who can do this on command. I do believe there are people who have developed insight or a sixth sense as it's sometimes called, and can 'see' information related to different things. I think everyone has this ability but it's not like most of us even recognize it or give it more thought than a coincidence or dream. A few coincidences wouldn't even register with most of us so it's immediately forgotten or shrugged off and dismissed.

It's normal for us to watch a news report and perhaps have it come during the night as a snippet of a dream. Nothing new there and certainly nothing paranormal. If that's the case, killer clowns would have taken over the world by now. :D Our subconcious picks up stuff that we don't even know it has. Our conscious mind is too busy to be bothered with much of what we are exposed to every day. It's in there but recalling it when you want it or need it ain't gonna happen. Sort of like meeting someone and forgetting their name 20 minutes later only to remember it after you've embarrassed the daylights out of yourself.
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Re: Are the British police using psychics?

Postby ProfWag » 10 Dec 2009, 05:57

The human brain has to be the most amazing thing evolution ever "created."
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