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ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby quantumparanormal » 05 Oct 2009, 03:17

If you do not believe in ESP, please continue reading the following. We are conducting a precognition (i.e., "knowing" future events beforehand) experiment, but only ESP non-believers are wanted. If you do not believe that phenomena such as precognition are possible, we would like for you to participate in this experiment. It's simple: You will be presented 5 "zener" cards. You will then click on whichever you "feel" will occur in the future. After doing so, a randomly selected card will be displayed.

To participate, please follow this URL: http://www.quantumparanormal.com/ExperimentTrialPG0410.aspx?fid=PG0410ALL

Please feel free to pass the preceding link/URL around to those whom you believe would like to participate and are also ESP non-believers.

Please, only non-believers in ESP need participate.

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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby brett » 05 Oct 2009, 13:59

ummm- may be a silly question but why only NON believers ?? - surly this is skewing any results ?? and proving WHAT exactly ??

please to explain your methodology and reason for using non believers - are you then going to run a trial using ONLY believers and compare the results ??
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby ciscop » 05 Oct 2009, 19:20

quantum
after the first experiment
i started selecting the one before image
it never appeared
i did it over 10 times, not sure if its totally random or the software never counts the one before image
or i just dont have esp :D

by the way
on the first one to boost up your data you should use
square, star, circle, cross, wavy lines
thats the way uri geller does it
and there´s like a 40% chance people will chose the star (i shoud know this since i have it on my mentalism´s business card and do the trick on daily basis)
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby quantumparanormal » 05 Oct 2009, 21:44

ciscop wrote:quantum
after the first experiment
i started selecting the one before image
it never appeared
i did it over 10 times, not sure if its totally random or the software never counts the one before image
or i just dont have esp :D

by the way
on the first one to boost up your data you should use
square, star, circle, cross, wavy lines
thats the way uri geller does it
and there´s like a 40% chance people will chose the star (i shoud know this since i have it on my mentalism´s business card and do the trick on daily basis)


It takes 5 seconds for the code to select a random image, so after you click on an image, you have to wait 5 seconds before you see the future image. Are you saying it never chooses an image?

Since this experiment is about precognition, it doesn't matter how often one chooses which image, as the image that's selected later is done so completely randomly. The chance expectation each image will be selected on average is 20%.
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby brett » 05 Oct 2009, 22:01

please feel free to ignore my perfectly valid question :roll:
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby quantumparanormal » 05 Oct 2009, 23:37

brett wrote:ummm- may be a silly question but why only NON believers ?? - surly this is skewing any results ?? and proving WHAT exactly ??

please to explain your methodology and reason for using non believers - are you then going to run a trial using ONLY believers and compare the results ??


It's inappropriate for us to mention the hypothesis details of the experiment before or during the experiment. A null hypothesis has been developed and will be discussed once the results are published. I assure you your questions will be answered at that time. Please feel free to distribute the link to non-believers. Thanks.
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby quantumparanormal » 05 Oct 2009, 23:38

brett wrote:please feel free to ignore my perfectly valid question :roll:


Sorry. I missed it and have answered your post above.
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby ciscop » 05 Oct 2009, 23:58

i dont know anything about the hypotesis
but im thinking ¨non believers show less % of hits than believers¨ right?
:D i know you cant answer it, no problem

now.. this is what i am saying about the pictures
after the 1st ¨guess¨ (which i didnt get)
i started selecting the previous image
and i never got one hit
lets suppose on test 2 it was a star
then on test 3 i chosed a star and it was a wavy lines
on test 4 i chosed wavy lines and it was a circle
and i did it like that for 10 times
not getting one hit at all :D
by pure chance shouldnt i get at least once?
maybe not. i am a not believer so it should be expected that i have no esp.. the irony.. i love it, this saturday i performed for 200 people doing routines based on esp and remote viewing
i guess i should stick to only doing this with my marked zenner cards :lol:
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby quantumparanormal » 06 Oct 2009, 00:15

ciscop wrote:i dont know anything about the hypotesis
but im thinking ¨non believers show less % of hits than believers¨ right?
:D i know you cant answer it, no problem

now.. this is what i am saying about the pictures
after the 1st ¨guess¨ (which i didnt get)
i started selecting the previous image
and i never got one hit
lets suppose on test 2 it was a star
then on test 3 i chosed a star and it was a wavy lines
on test 4 i chosed wavy lines and it was a circle
and i did it like that for 10 times
not getting one hit at all :D
by pure chance shouldnt i get at least once?
maybe not. i am a not believer so it should be expected that i have no esp.. the irony.. i love it, this saturday i performed for 200 people doing routines based on esp and remote viewing
i guess i should stick to only doing this with my marked zenner cards :lol:


That's OK. It's very possible for you to do 10 trials, for example, and get zero hits. However, do 100, 500, or 1,000 trials, and chance would expect you to select the correct image around 20% of the time. This is why it's important that we obtain thousands of trials before concluding the experiment, as a handful of trials is statistically insufficient.

We've tested the randomness of the experiment by conducting over 1,000 trials and have obtained approximately 20% per zener card, which is what we expected, so we are confident the randomness of the selected cards is close to true randomness.
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby ciscop » 06 Oct 2009, 06:25

all the good luck for you
what i dont get is why is not an ending to the test?.. like doing 10 trials or 5 minutes to guess as many as you can..

is gonna be interesting whatever you find
i wonder if the star is going to be the most chosen ¨target¨
(i know it only works when is on the 2nd position of the alignment)
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby quantumparanormal » 06 Oct 2009, 07:32

ciscop wrote:all the good luck for you
what i dont get is why is not an ending to the test?.. like doing 10 trials or 5 minutes to guess as many as you can..

is gonna be interesting whatever you find
i wonder if the star is going to be the most chosen ¨target¨
(i know it only works when is on the 2nd position of the alignment)


Thanks. For any one person, a few trials is fine, but for the entire experiment, many trials are required. That's the only way to derive statistical significance. It shouldn't matter in which position the star card shows up, as the sorting of the cards is also random.

Are you saying you only seem to guess the star card correctly when it's in the 2nd position, from left to right? To figure out if that's true, you would have to conduct many more trials.
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby ciscop » 06 Oct 2009, 08:04

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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby quantumparanormal » 06 Oct 2009, 10:23

ciscop wrote:
quantumparanormal wrote:
ciscop wrote:all the good luck for you
what i dont get is why is not an ending to the test?.. like doing 10 trials or 5 minutes to guess as many as you can..

is gonna be interesting whatever you find
i wonder if the star is going to be the most chosen ¨target¨
(i know it only works when is on the 2nd position of the alignment)


Thanks. For any one person, a few trials is fine, but for the entire experiment, many trials are required. That's the only way to derive statistical significance. It shouldn't matter in which position the star card shows up, as the sorting of the cards is also random.

Are you saying you only seem to guess the star card correctly when it's in the 2nd position, from left to right? To figure out if that's true, you would have to conduct many more trials.


no, sorry for not explaining it better im saying
there´s an old mentalist trick with the aligning of the symbols..
suppose you give somebody your business card where there is this aligment.. square, star, circle, cross, wavy lines
you ask them they can think of any of the figures, and they are more likely to say ¨star¨ (30-40% chance.. even more if you apply some psychological subtetlies). you ask them to turn the business card and sure enought it says ¨you will chose the star´
:-)

(pretty much goes on the same lines of women´s favorite card is the queen of hearts, men is ace of spades or king of spades, and nobody ever mention´s 10 of clubs)


Ahh, I see. Well, since the software code is deciding which image to select, not a human, it's completely out of any person's hands to decide which image is selected, so we're very confident we are dealing with a very closely normal distribution of random selections.
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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby ciscop » 06 Oct 2009, 11:54

well good luck with your findings
i would really appretiate if you can share at the end of the experiment¨which was the symbol that was guessed the most¨ and ¨which is the position people selected the most¨. not sure if the software gives you that info, i am just curious

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Re: ATT: ESP Non-believers, please participate.

Postby Scepcop » 10 Oct 2009, 13:56

I also don't tend to do well in such trials. But then again, getting consistently LESS than chance over many trials also defies the odds.

It's kind of like when you play Keno in Las Vegas or Reno, and you pick a certain amount of numbers while the computers picks others, the more correct you guess, the more money you win. However, if you pick a lot of numbers, and none of them match the computer's numbers, or only a few, you also win money. I almost won 500 dollars one time by scoring too little matches. If I had picked the first number I wanted to, instead of changing my mind about it, I would have won it. But I went with my second instinct and chose another number and only won 10 dollars instead of 500. Damn.

Quantum, what if a participant only does 5 or 10 trials? Would that skew your results? Does it matter how many people are involved in 1000 trials, for example?
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