Discussions about Psychics and Psychic Phenomena, Extra Sensory Perception, Telepathy, Psi, Clairvoyancy, 6th Sense, Psychokinesis, etc.
I promise I will leave this thread up. I am in the process of starting a book while evaluating the nature of what is worthwhile for the audience of this forum. I am not interested in being a part of the conflict between skeptics and psychics. I am not a part of that conflict. I have experienced first person direct evidence of the nature of spirit and energetic phenomenon.
To begin I suggest the notion that psychic is not beyond normal. It is a rarer form of normal, or not, and that truly depends on each person. Some people have "active" imaginations and well you can only guess what that means; either the subconscious is generating a lot of stimuli or a whole lot of entities are in your head. You can only imagine which camp I reside in. Particularly as a result of a significant period of spiritual training and practice. And the choice I made to pursue that path.
The signs of psychic awareness are subtle. I can generally finish peoples sentences. Sometimes I will say things that precede another persons action as if I knew what they were intending to do. I do not do anything here. It's a knowing. I am not actively intending any more than being a part of the company. I did not turn on the "we are psychic" now switch. Nothing of the sort. For me this is an ordinary normal reality. I have been this way since birth. I have gotten in trouble for seeing through someones lie. I know when they are lying. I know when I am being manipulated and I can read agreements between total strangers. From there we move into contact phenomenon (subconscious); images, voices, sensations in the body outside of normal physical processes in nature, visual phenomenon confirmation such as UFO's, orbs, energy fields, and perceptual shifts from healing and meditation work.
This thread is intended to be a gentle discourse of what it means to be psychic. All are welcome. The goal of course is to share the knowledge. I encourage people to explore. There are no dumb questions and regardless of whether you hold an unwavering opinion one way or another I think you will find that beyond the symbols of language is a continuum we are all a part of. Regardless of what we call these aspects they are very real to those who experience them. This is why these experiences continue to survive in the times of modern science. Fundamental nature.
Truthjunkie, is it your assertion that being psychic is paranormal? Many of the things you mentioned are really nothing more than being good at reading body language and has nothing at all to do with my understanding of the definition of the term "psychic."
What science has yet to support is being able to read minds, project thoughts, view objects from considerable distances, and speaking with the deceased. Knowing how someone is going to finish a sentence is nothing paranormal from my understanding.
I keep trying to tell you, it's all semantics. You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to. The human mental image of these definitions are formed by individual exposure to the world. Media - Hollywood and television have blown them out of proportion to what they are.
If you believe that you've experienced something 'paranormal', it is formed by something you saw or heard from a second party such as TV or movies or even talking to a neighbor who thinks they know something.
Very young children on the other hand don't know jack about this other than they have some imaginary friend or a vivid imagination. Of course those theories are coined by skeptics. Keep telling a child that these imaginary friends are not real or go on some negative route about them and they will usually do what is expected. That is 'grow up and stop doing it'. Families that 'believe' (for lack of a better word) will allow that child to keep on going with 'it' and see how far it goes.
Let's begin by having each of you define "psychic" as you know it. Reference matters and "psychic" is a charged word that has a long history of interpretation and misinterpretation. Even more interesting is that perhaps you too are psychic. We shall see but first we need a solid foundation to move forward and a discussion on what "psychic" is (and is not) is a great place to start.
Warning: I am leaving on vacation tomorrow and will be gone for a week. I can respond later this evening and perhaps tomorrow morning but most likely will not be connected over the holiday.
Well- I think its generally defined as receiving information by anomalous means (well, the general definition of psi anyway).
If one is simply skilled at analysis and can therefore make good predicitons about what someone is going to say or do based on their past behaviour then i would not call that anomalous.
I will wait until more have responded ... Here's an experience from this morning ...
I am at the bakery counter eyeing the baked goods and the man next to me (on the left) is in the process of paying his bill and is signing an electronic pad and I witness him write his name. I say to him "Nice signature". I was observing the symmetry in the lines and curves in the signature. I proceed with something like "Nice lines and curves. That's a signature style of someone with a gift for the arts". He responded with "I am an art coordinator". All of this took place in 10 seconds. Eventfulness on my psychic 1-10? 1.
Is this a psychic experience? How much information did I have on this stranger? Did I use my own information to analyze the signature and draw a conclusion much like a horoscope? Was this purely intuitive? A combination of information and intuition? Coincidence? How does one fill in the blanks and produce a result that is accurate to a complete stranger?
Another incident. I am at the breakfast counter at the local diner. The waitress says "My BF made a nice chicken dinner last night". I said "I would be happy to come cook you a chicken dinner any time. But of course I would have to attend culinary school first (said as a joke)". She looked a bit startled and responded with "He went to culinary school". Eventfulness on my psychic 1-10? 1.
Is this a coincidence?
Where are the events where I don't get it right? There are few if any. This is not a common practice for me.
What are the odds of seeing a signature and stating an occupation or knowing that the waitresses BF is a trained chef?
This is where it gets fun. Psychic training occurs with physical sense deprivation. We literally shut our eyes and learn to read. I spent years reading from a light trance meditation with eyes closed and physical sensitivities muted or dialed down. This in fact creates a space where the inner senses have more prominence than the physical senses. It's like learning how to navigate the world blind. Most people experience physical sense deprivation during sleep and rest cycles. At some point you begin to experience stimuli from inner and outer senses at the same time and become conscious of independent experiences taking place simultaneously; i.e. engaging a thought stream within while interacting with the physical world.
I will wait for more input on what "psychic" is before I continue.
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Well, I can certainly think of reasons why seeing the signature might make you think the person had artistic talent but these type of situations are hard because we haven't seen the signature, we don't know exactly what went through your mind, how else the guy was holding himself, etc.
With regard to the culinary school - well, first of all I might tell you not to hit on on a girl when she's just told you she had a boyfriend (:)) but from an analytical point of view, we can't really do a statistical analysis. Again, we can think of very normal reasons for the hit, but on a single hit one can never do a statistical analysis and anything we could throw out at you would be mere speculation.
The more interesting thing would be your comment that there are no cases where you are off base. That's something that can be theoretically be tested, although admittedly it would be tough in a natural setting. It involves catching all the cases, and deciding how do we interpret what is off-base or not. We have to control for confirmation bias (ie: it is natural for us to remember the hits and forget the misses). It's not an easy test to set up.
Regarding off base. I modified that statement. I generally do not intrude on a strangers space but here in this small town we are all a bit friendly towards each other and I tend to open a dialog or two. Long long ago I stopped reading every one I met. Sort of like the Facebook experience I really don't want to know the details of your life. I never cold read or attempt to create a psychic experience. It just happens and I run with it. Like a deeper force of consciousness within that supersedes what I experience as ordinary reality.
Another thing to add for all parties here ...
Leave the intellect at home for this excursion. This does not mean stop thinking but allow yourself a place where anomalies are something to investigate rather than catalog and / or dismiss. Science has a real place in humanity but note that science is not required in order to live a proper life or experience mental phenomenon. Those who are deep in science and intellectual studies have new neural armor which may interrupt the flow of information as it is experienced; i.e. continual scientific analysis. Being someone who works within the high tech sciences I understand the value of this work however IMO "psychic" is organic to human nature and science is an extension of human intellect.
Also this exercise must start at the most fundamental steps before we can entertain things like channeling and telepathy. Given enough interest I can demonstrate how the language of mysticism and spirituality is wired and what are near equivalents in language in other disciplines such as psychology. I have been cross training for a while now.
I have a habit of making corrections over time so check back to see if a post has shifted. I try to catch mistakes.
I don't like the word so I don't use it. As you say, the word has a long history of interpretation and misinterpretation. I use the term, "spidey senses". From the old Spiderman cartoon series and certainly not the definition from the "Urban Dictionary".
My feelings behind the word "psychic" is thinking or knowing information that is not known or disclosed. I also take into the mix manually picking up things like body language, tone of voice, choice of words (both to and from in a conversation) eye shifts, etc. Perhaps a little bit of 'cold reading' a little bit of expertise with reading those body cues or voice tones, and a whole lot of something unexplainable that goes WAY beyond coincidence or pulling crap out of your arse.
I'll give you skeptics one of my recent examples. I refused to go out for a few days. I kept thinking that I was going to get into a car accident. I finally convinced myself that this is down right stupid but I still waited until the panic attacks felt less intense and I realized that being all worked up like that could actually cause me to over compensate and have an accident. I still wasn't feeling too good about going out to the store but of course, a girl has got to eat.
I couldn't believe how paranoid I was about the whole thing and I finally thought to myself as I got in view of my driveway how f'ing stupid the whole thing was. That's exactly when a van full of teens rear ended me and pushed my car about 10 feet, almost into a neighbor pulling into HIS driveway. Had the stinking car 2 weeks and the back bumper was now all out of wack. You did NOT want to see what the front of that old van looked like. It was toast.
In the above instance, there was no cold reading, no body language, no other indication that I would have a car accident. I just knew that it was going to happen and I did NOTHING that could cause it.
I've always considered the term psychic to refer to the act of showing a phenomena that cannot be explained by the laws of nature or physics.
Obviously looking at a signature and concluding that the person has special artistic abilities is not psychic. Ninja's example could potentially be psychic, but it's unverifiable so it, too, is not psychic yet. Had she told us on the board of her fear prior to going out and getting into an accident, then that would have been an interesting starting point. But to show that it was not a coincidence, it would have to be repeatable.
I agree with this. I also have been exposed to enough information from this forum to understand the 'hits and misses' thing (which I can't recall the proper terminology right now) oh wait..... Forer effect or something like that? Where I don't keep stats on how many times I've gotten those vibes and absolutely nothing of the sort happens. It's not like I can chronicle every thought during my normal day to do any sort of debunking. What I have decided (without need for any further study) is that when I don't listen to my better judgement, I find myself kicking myself in the arse.
Does that make my "psychic" by the world's definition? I don't know and actually, I don't care. Do I feel that I have something (yes, I will call it "SOMETHING") that sometimes fits the definition of "psychic", I'd say without a doubt yes. What it is, where it comes from, how it happens, why it happens is not a concern to me. I just go with the flow because it's served me well.
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