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Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby Scepcop » 06 Aug 2009, 04:47

From a lady on my mailing list named Edith:

“I went to a Psychic fair in Chicago, all by myself, on the spur of the moment, then looked around and saw a little old man sitting all by himself, a bit away from all others. I walked over to him, asked him how much he charges, and sat down. He did not even ask my birth date or any other question, and began to talk about my children.

He said I had two children, a boy and a girl. I told him that this is not true, that I have two girls. He said that he knows different, which really upset me. He went on saying that the boy died right after his birth, and that my girl had died a few years back in a tragic incident, and that the second girl is not my own girl, but is adopted. He was right, because I had to admit that I no longer thought of my little boy any longer as a son.
( he was born 37 years earlier, prematurely in the 6th month of pregnancy, and had only lived 25 minutes.)

He then told me that I am writing a Novel, and began to outline the story, naming the character in the Novel by name, their roles, and how they related to each other, and the time frame of the story. He was right in the smallest detail, better than I could describe myself, having written it.

He told me that I would be teaching many people, and that people will come to my house to ask for lessons, but it would be out of the State, in the South.
(The South was the last place on earth I would want to live at that time. Neither would I want to leave my job, or my dream house that I had purchased only a short time before. It was months later that my husband was suddenly transferred to Georgia. Here I had an Art exhibition in Atlanta, and people had approached me to teach Art, especially oil painting.)

There were many other events he told me from my childhood, early adulthood, my former marriage, all accurate in every aspect and every little detail. He described the house I was born in, a house I had never again seen in over 46 years, and I had to look on an old photograph to check the details he described, of which I was no longer aware of.
He was correct. He took a pen and wrote my father's name, in my father's handwriting. (The old German script, which is no longer in use, called: Hohe Stolze.)

Now, I don't expect you to believe me, and I don't care one way or another, whatever explanation you come up with for all that, it does not change one tittle.

Just remember one thing: I had never been in Chicago before, other than driving through. Chicago was 45 miles from where I lived, and I knew NO ONE in that city, nor did anyone know that I would be going to Chicago that day, and I had no idea that there was a Psychic Fair to begin with, but rather stumbled on it in one of the Malls.
But most of all, that it was I who chose this particular Psychic among all others.

I had been to other Psychics, at different times, in different States and different countries, all without appointments, and without recommendations by anyone I knew, who had been most accurate in everything they said, three of which described the same Novel I spoke of earlier, one spoke of a book I had written many years earlier, even how many pages the manuscript was, how many chapters, and the general contents of it.”
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Aug 2009, 05:12

Now that is some pretty hard meat and potatos to dispute.
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby ciscop » 07 Aug 2009, 03:18

actually i think is a fallacy to ask another one to explain something spectacular that happen to anybody else
there is only one source of information and is her memory which isnt perfect as we all know

and i would recommend when going to a psychic to have it taped
so you can go back and phrase by phrase measure the hits

the novel with the characters seems like a big hit
thats the one i am the most intrigued by
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby Scepcop » 07 Aug 2009, 04:29

ciscop wrote:actually i think is a fallacy to ask another one to explain something spectacular that happen to anybody else
there is only one source of information and is her memory which isnt perfect as we all know

and i would recommend when going to a psychic to have it taped
so you can go back and phrase by phrase measure the hits

the novel with the characters seems like a big hit
thats the one i am the most intrigued by


Be reasonable here. Nothing in the universe is perfect. If something has to be perfect to be valid or credible, then nothing in the universe is credible or valid. Be reasonable here. Don't quote absolute maxims. That's being anal.

Many credible people have had amazing hits from psychics like this. They tell about them the day after, and their story is still consistent after that. It's not that uncommon. You just need to get to know more people, that's all :)
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby ciscop » 07 Aug 2009, 07:15

you are asking ¨how do i explain¨ and then say i am being anal for saying i doubt memory

i wouldnt trust memory sorry, i doubt even my own memory
i did a career in psychology and being a psychologist myself and seeing cases on a daily basis
does makes me skeptical of people´s memories.

memory isnt perfect, memory is the story we convinced ourselves that happened.
when you are ¨remembering stuff¨ the creative part of the brain is also at work filling the gaps
have you ever heard.. if you believe a lie, then it isnt a lie?.. well. thats how memory works
(i am not saying that woman lied, i am just saying i wish i could see the full transcript)

and about those ¨amazing hits¨... john edwards has this statement that is quite cool and i think he is the author... he says ¨do you have somebody in your family or friends without an arm or leg¨ a lot of times he misses, but when he hits.. it becomes spectacular!.

other than that, is a cool story that is unexplainable since there´s only the point of view of that woman.

here is a link pretty cool about false memory:
The parts of the brain that form, store and then retrieve memories must all work together to accurately recall events, so scientists have long been skeptical of what people remember.
http://www.livescience.com/health/041101_False_memory.html
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 07 Aug 2009, 10:24

ciscop wrote:and about those ¨amazing hits¨... john edwards has this statement that is quite cool and i think he is the author... he says ¨do you have somebody in your family or friends without an arm or leg¨ a lot of times he misses, but when he hits.. it becomes spectacular!


Good point. I think that most of us tend to forget the misses and dwell on the hits. At least I know that my brain tends to ignore unnecessary stuff a lot faster than useful information. Of course in the process of something such as this, the percentage of hits determines how successful the reading is to begin with. Since all claims are of an individual nature there is no way to prove bupkis to anyone on the skeptical side. Does this make it impossible for anyone to have any form of psychic ability? Nope. At least not in my book.
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby Scepcop » 07 Aug 2009, 23:03

ciscop wrote:you are asking ¨how do i explain¨ and then say i am being anal for saying i doubt memory

i wouldnt trust memory sorry, i doubt even my own memory
i did a career in psychology and being a psychologist myself and seeing cases on a daily basis
does makes me skeptical of people´s memories.

memory isnt perfect, memory is the story we convinced ourselves that happened.
when you are ¨remembering stuff¨ the creative part of the brain is also at work filling the gaps
have you ever heard.. if you believe a lie, then it isnt a lie?.. well. thats how memory works
(i am not saying that woman lied, i am just saying i wish i could see the full transcript)

and about those ¨amazing hits¨... john edwards has this statement that is quite cool and i think he is the author... he says ¨do you have somebody in your family or friends without an arm or leg¨ a lot of times he misses, but when he hits.. it becomes spectacular!.

other than that, is a cool story that is unexplainable since there´s only the point of view of that woman.

here is a link pretty cool about false memory:
The parts of the brain that form, store and then retrieve memories must all work together to accurately recall events, so scientists have long been skeptical of what people remember.
http://www.livescience.com/health/041101_False_memory.html


But you're saying that you doubt memory just because it isn't perfect. I'm telling you that NOTHING is perfect. Do you have any other valid reasons?

Would you agree that THE MAJORITY of what we remember is true?

How do you explain how, recently, I watched some horror movies that I haven't seen since 1982 or 1983 on YouTube, and what I remember about those movies from my MEMORY checked out and I saw the scenes and lines I remember?

The ones I saw were "Encounter with the Unknown" and "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

Right from memory alone (without looking it up) I also remember that the movie "The Karate Kid" came out in the summer of 1984. Can you look it up to see if that's accurate? I haven't done so yet.

It seems like you are only seeing what you want to see.

So what if she wrote down those spectacular hits the DAY AFTER they occurred? Would you then trust her memory more, if she wrote them down the day after?

BTW, do you remember where you were on 9/11? Was anyone with you at that time? If so, can you call them or contact them and verify that their memory of where you were concurs with their memory? If it checks out, will you admit that memory isn't as bad as you're trying to make it out to be?
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby Scepcop » 07 Aug 2009, 23:17

By the way ciscop, how do you explain this case? Watch the video below and let me know how you would explain this.



Also, can you explain this case of a little boy?



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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby ciscop » 09 Aug 2009, 11:44

hahahahaha
" you are only seeing what you want to see "
i can said the same thing about you, right?
fair is fair

like i said, i cant explain those cases, is a fallacy
to go into arguments like this
all we have of this is people recounts of what happened
beyond that is just subjective
apparently for you a story is enought to believe or stand for this kind of cases,
you want to believe is paranormal (after all you made website based on that)

i just cant say if is paranormal or not, since there is not enought data to argue, a story is not data is just a story.
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby soldiergirl » 09 Sep 2009, 11:34

Scepcop,

Well i didn't read the entire post cause it was the length of a book. However i read the first couple of sentences and I can give you an explanation. Says she is from a mailing list of yours or someones mailing list (who cares). You take stock advice from people on mailing lists also? If i send you a big made up tale of how i met the marshmallow man (no not nutty professor) but a real marshmallow man almost as big as the professor would that be amazing also and be taken as gospel cause I was on your mailing list? Kinda ironic cause i once had a conspiracy theory also. I didn't believe the jonestown massacre was real. I mean how can you find 900 idiots to drink poison. After visiting this forum I now see how I was wrong and 900 idiots are not that hard to find.
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Re: Skeptics, how do you explain amazing hits like these?

Postby ciscop » 09 Sep 2009, 11:39

soldiergirl wrote:Scepcop,

Well i didn't read the entire post cause it was the length of a book. However i read the first couple of sentences and I can give you an explanation. Says she is from a mailing list of yours or someones mailing list (who cares). You take stock advice from people on mailing lists also? If i send you a big made up tale of how i met the marshmallow man (no not nutty professor) but a real marshmallow man almost as big as the professor would that be amazing also and be taken as gospel cause I was on your mailing list? Kinda ironic cause i once had a conspiracy theory also. I didn't believe the jonestown massacre was real. I mean how can you find 900 idiots to drink poison. After visiting this forum I now see how I was wrong and 900 idiots are not that hard to find.


i can predict
winston will tell you
she is a sweet woman and she wouldnt lie


for the record i dont think she lied just he doesnt remember accurately what happened
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