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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 26 Feb 2011, 15:30

I'm going to assume you meant add 3 more words:

A. Compression
B. Beloved
C. Guarantee
D. Holder
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 26 Feb 2011, 15:44

For those having trouble telling what this is really all about.

The test is done in BATCHES.

I got 2 hits, over the stated pass-mark and expected result on the second batch.

NO SKEPTIC ON EARTH HAS EVER SCORED A SINGLE SUCCESSFUL TRIAL IN ALL HISTORY.

So what does Arouet do for 20 posts?

IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT



OK now we know.

NO USING THE WORD PASS FOR INDIVIDUAL BATCHES.


B3 Word 1 has got to be HOLDER

given a coin to make a phone call!
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 26 Feb 2011, 18:56

I'm getting lost in your terminology again. You need to try and be more clear. I'm actually taking this somewhat seriously, so perhaps you can actually respond to my posts rather than write speeches for the lurkers. Please try and make extra effort to be clear. We discussing the math here G. This is not an emotion driven topic.

Now, you have me confused. Are you saying that if we reversed it, and you sent me 4 words in random order, that I could not get 2/4 right? If not, what are you saying no skeptic in history could have done?

Oh, and the word was "Beloved", not "Holder"
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 26 Feb 2011, 20:05

Your posts just ignore everything I say.

I have no idea why a 90% accurate odds measurement is "not right".

Are you trying to break a certain odds or what?

It's just as easy to force me to use all 4 words in my guess, then we know the exact odds per batch.

Deal? Better yet, let's try one word at a time again, ((making a phone call)) to beloved was pretty good too.

I suggest we put the Gremlin to work for us!

ODD DAYS OF MONTH
You post 1 word in the AM. You check the channel in the PM.

EVEN DAYS OF MONTH
You post the 4 options in the AM. You score my selection in the PM.

If there is a break at midnight between channels, then the options should not interfere.

I get 10:56AM on your last post, is that your local or forum time?

Slow yes, but no waiting around for each other and the paranormal BIAS should show up pretty quick.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 26 Feb 2011, 20:20

G. ADAM wrote:Your posts just ignore everything I say.


I don't ignore you, I'm trying to understand you.

I have no idea why a 90% accurate odds measurement is "not right".


Because what is important here is statistical significance - a 10% odds skew is HUGE.

Are you trying to break a certain odds or what?


I'm not trying to break anything. We're trying to measure your hit rate, then see if it is significant.

It's just as easy to force me to use all 4 words in my guess, then we know the exact odds per batch.


I agree that not double guessing is better, but it still doesn't mean we can just add hits. For the reasons I've stated.

Deal? Better yet, let's try one word at a time again, ((making a phone call)) to beloved was pretty good too.


The one word at a time protocol is much better.


I suggest we put the Gremlin to work for us!

ODD DAYS OF MONTH
You post 1 word in the AM. You check the channel in the PM.

EVEN DAYS OF MONTH
You post the 4 options in the AM. You score my selection in the PM.


Way too complicated. I'm on all the time. When I'm at work I'm in front of my computer all day and regularly monitor this forum. (I've set shortcut buttons at the top of my Firefox, so I just press a button and see new posts. When I'm at home, I also check it a lot.

I suggest we stick with one protocol at a time. No sense mixing it up. The single word with three fakes is the simplest, and quickest protocol to use, and I would prefer it over the cumbersome 4 word. We can do many many more trials that way.

If there is a break at midnight between channels, then the options should not interfere.


Midnight for whom? We're in different time zones.

I get 10:56AM on your last post, is that your local or forum time?


There is no "Forum time". You can set your time zone in the USER CONTROL PANEL - BOARD PREFERENCES - EDIT GLOBAL SETTINGS - MY TIME ZONE.

I'm in Eastern Standard Time [UTC - 5] It's currently 7:15 a.m here (Toronto)

Slow yes, but no waiting around for each other and the paranormal BIAS should show up pretty quick.


I'm not sure what you mean by paranormal bias - do you mean statistical significance? In the other thread I asked you if you were familiar with any parapsychological literature. IF not, I suggest you read up. There is a good links and downloads section on the Skeptiko forum. You may want to check out the links there. Or buy a book like Dean Radins The Conscious Universe, that summarizes parapsychological studies. You will see how scientists who are testing these things in a scientific manner do things. I'm not suggesting we need protocols as tight as that for an informal test like ours, but we still need some basic math to be right or else we can't judge anything.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 26 Feb 2011, 21:39

now Im on blackberry!

darn hard to believe I was surfing with this all Jan

Ill order your book but it doesnt get any simpler than a zenner test with words

we can try all 3 tester posts whenever you can, but its a weaker protocol than 1 random word on a single day

so just start from word 1, 10 trials to start?
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 26 Feb 2011, 21:39

now Im on blackberry!

darn hard to believe I was surfing with this all Jan

Ill order your book but it doesnt get any simpler than a zenner test with words

we can try all 3 tester posts whenever you can, but its a weaker protocol than 1 random word on a single day

so just start from word 1, 10 trials to start?
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 26 Feb 2011, 23:30

Ok New word, this time I give one clue, you respond with the channel, I respond with the word with three controls in random order.

Word clue is at Page 270 Line 2
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 27 Feb 2011, 07:36

Arouet wrote:Ok New word, this time I give one clue, you respond with the channel

Word clue is at Page 270 Line 2



Word 1 channel is ((two stars, one big, one smaller, that seemed to be travelling together))

Good start to a Zenner test!
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 27 Feb 2011, 08:19

Here is the subject word and three others, in random order.

A. Learning
B, Bow
C. Body
D, Spite

G. Adam, do you have to post the channel for this one? Although I'm not cheating, presumably I could affect your choices by choosing words that match your channel to confuse you (I haven't been doing that, but I'd like to remove that possible accusation - the only words I've been rejecting is when the word chooser picks a non-noun.)

For future trials maybe just reply that you have a channel, and you can post it when you make your guess.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 27 Feb 2011, 08:32

my guess at word 1 is BODY

A star is a celestial body

I should be able to spot if my selections are 2nd best from you substituting in a closer match, so lets continue completing the channel before shown options. we tried putting the options up front

can you quote my channel when posting options? also OPTIONS just above a b c d might help

starting from word clue, we quote the previous post
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 27 Feb 2011, 08:46

G. ADAM wrote:my guess at word 1 is BODY



The word was "Bow"


Hits; 0
Misses: 1
10 trials to start.

I should be able to spot if my selections are 2nd best from you substituting in a closer match, so lets continue completing the channel before shown options. we tried putting the options up front

can you quote my channel when posting options? also OPTIONS just above a b c d might help

starting from word clue, we quote the previous post



We can continue the way we've been going. I have no intention of trying to cheat - just wanted to put the option to control for that.

Can you redraft my last post in the manner you want to give me a template.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 27 Feb 2011, 09:45

Trial 1 over

there are 5 posts per word

AR: Word X clue is at page XXX line XX

GA: Word X channel is ((YYYYY))

AR:
Word X options are:
A/ AAA
B/ BBB
C/ CCC
D/ DDD

GA: My guess at word X is AAA

AR:
Word X was AAA - Hit OR Miss
Total Hits: H
Total Guesses: G

Since we will only get about 1 word per day, Im going to always post my channel 8 hours before midnight on my forum time. It should help if you read the channel and wait 8 hours after my post before you post the options!
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 27 Feb 2011, 09:55

1 last thing, I hope!

Dont quote any of my posts in the trial. you do the asking I do the answering, might get better isolation that way.

make sure Ive answered all your *comments* before commencing!
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 27 Feb 2011, 09:58

Why do we need to just do one a day? Let's just do them when we see the posts. As I said, I check the forum often. I'll just respond when I see yours and you can reply when you have time. I'm not going to start setting reminders for myself of when to post.
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