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Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challenge

Postby Scepcop » 23 Oct 2010, 21:34

How does she do this? No way. Is this a setup?

Why doesn't she apply for the Randi Challenge?

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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Arouet » 24 Oct 2010, 00:12

Jesus Scepcop, you don't believe the establishment view on anything, but you just accept "reality" tv as legit?
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Craig Browning » 24 Oct 2010, 00:26

While I could offer a short list of theories, especially given how much editing was done with the footage, I would have to say that she has some legitimate talent... note what I'm saying, I'm not using the "P" world, I'm simply pointing out that she is "empathic" or "aware" when it comes to her surroundings and picking up on those "little things" most folks never register on.. .but that's what psychics do, isn't it?

Why not do the Randi challenge?

Because it's a waste of time, money and one's soul. There is NOTHING about the Randi Challenge that's above board, I don't care what anyone wants to scream "prove it" about; it's a con that was designed with one thing in mind; discouraging faith on all levels and belittling people who are typically quite down to earth, honest and true to their convictions. Yet, it seems his hobby and that of his minions, to torment anyone that's such a soft target. It's easy to win a challenge when you know up front, all of the perspectives, belief buttons, etc. that can be punched for the sake of not just making the mark nervous and even fearful (such as Randi's man-handling that little Russian girl a few years ago, let alone the animals he "tested")

As I've said before, most of the people tied to the JREF/Million Dollar Farce are the equivalent of right-wing Christians; they repeat what the preachers tells them to believe and gain validation by imposing their views onto others that may not wish to be part of their "reality". I'm not talking about the "Upper Tier" here, on the personal level, even Randi can be charming and fun to be with. I've not spent a lot of time in his presence but we've had our chats here and there when I was researching possible charlatan situations. My personal agenda being closer to what Houdini originally focused on; getting rid of the crooks, not devastating everyone or placing all the duckies in the same pen.

Based on that trailer I'd say Ms. Whitedove (and I question that last name for someone so Lilly white... I hope she's at least married to a Native American and not some New Age/Castaneda fanatic that "thinks" they are in tune with the Indian spirit) has more than enough going for her and has no need to go PR seeking by knocking on Randi's door.
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby derrida » 24 Oct 2010, 00:49

do you have any proof that the randi challenge is what you say it is craig?
or is it just another one of your stories
people against critical thinking often forget that there are 30 challenges around the world. the randi challenge is just one of them.

hope she goes and pass one of those
but she wont do that.
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Arouet » 24 Oct 2010, 01:03

Yeah, Craig, either post specifics of why you think its a con, or drop it. You love to make grand accusations. If you don't want to get into the nitty gritty then stop posting the accusations! You call yourself a skeptic - so back your arguments up!
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Scepcop » 24 Oct 2010, 22:40

derrida wrote:do you have any proof that the randi challenge is what you say it is craig?
or is it just another one of your stories
people against critical thinking often forget that there are 30 challenges around the world. the randi challenge is just one of them.

hope she goes and pass one of those
but she wont do that.


Do you have any proof that the JREF Challenge is honest, fair, unbiased, objective and truth seeking?

All truth seekers ask questions. JREF never does.

"Judge of a man by his questions rather than by his answers." — Voltaire

Craig, what exactly would happen if Michelle applied for the JREF Challenge? Would they test her? If so, what if she passed like she did on the show? What would JREF's copout excuse be?
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Arouet » 24 Oct 2010, 23:18

I'm sure if she'd apply, she'd get tested. If she passed, she'd get paid.

What I'm surprised at, Scepcop, is why you believe reality tv? Do you really think its real?

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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Craig Browning » 25 Oct 2010, 20:18

Arouet wrote:I'm sure if she'd apply, she'd get tested. If she passed, she'd get paid.

What I'm surprised at, Scepcop, is why you believe reality tv? Do you really think its real?

lol


Especially now that he's got on foot in the grave and could use one more big PR boost... IMAGINE... someone wins the Million... and it's really there in their hand; no stock option games, or bonds or any other such pea and shell games.
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Scepcop » 25 Oct 2010, 20:58

Arouet wrote:I'm sure if she'd apply, she'd get tested. If she passed, she'd get paid.

What I'm surprised at, Scepcop, is why you believe reality tv? Do you really think its real?

lol


How do you know she would get paid? You aren't Randi. How do you know? How do you know the JREF Challenge is real or fair? Aren't you taking it on faith?

As to reality tv, I am not sure. But it doesn't seem real. Very few things in the media are real. Most is just a facade.

Insufficient data.

Do you think the Randi Challenge is real? Why?
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby really? » 25 Oct 2010, 22:42

Craig Browning wrote:
Arouet wrote:I'm sure if she'd apply, she'd get tested. If she passed, she'd get paid.

What I'm surprised at, Scepcop, is why you believe reality tv? Do you really think its real?

lol


Especially now that he's got on foot in the grave and could use one more big PR boost... IMAGINE... someone wins the Million... and it's really there in their hand; no stock option games, or bonds or any other such pea and shell games.


Keep up with the program.
It was announced at The Amazing Meeting in Las Vegas last week that Banachek will take control of the James Randi Educational Foundation’s Million Dollar Challenge which offers the big money bounty to anyone who can reproduce psychic or supernatural phenomenon under scientific test conditions. In our humble opinion, this is very much for the best and we congratulate Banachek and the JREF.

In the interest of full disclosure, the publisher of this site once held the role that Banachek has now assumed and the editor of iTricks was once and intern at the JREF. http://itricks.com/news/2010/07/banache ... challenge/


What bad things do you have to say about Banachek ?
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby really? » 25 Oct 2010, 22:48

Scepcop wrote:
derrida wrote:do you have any proof that the randi challenge is what you say it is craig?
or is it just another one of your stories
people against critical thinking often forget that there are 30 challenges around the world. the randi challenge is just one of them.

hope she goes and pass one of those
but she wont do that.


Do you have any proof that the JREF Challenge is honest, fair, unbiased, objective and truth seeking?

All truth seekers ask questions. JREF never does.

"Judge of a man by his questions rather than by his answers." — Voltaire

Craig, what exactly would happen if Michelle applied for the JREF Challenge? Would they test her? If so, what if she passed like she did on the show? What would JREF's copout excuse be?


For you scepcop. A long list of challenge applicants. http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Arouet » 25 Oct 2010, 22:53

Scepcop wrote:How do you know she would get paid? You aren't Randi. How do you know? How do you know the JREF Challenge is real or fair? Aren't you taking it on faith?


This isn't a faith thing, I have no reason to think he wouldn't pay. And if he doesn't there are methods that can be used to try and enforce, such as through the courts. As really has pointed out, Randi's not even running the program. Whether he has any say I don't know.
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby derrida » 25 Oct 2010, 23:32

Scepcop
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How do you know she would get paid? You aren't Randi. How do you know? How do you know the JREF Challenge is real or fair? Aren't you taking it on faith?



actually you are the one talking out of faith and hate of the JREF
since nobody has passed the test yet, there´s no way you can assume they will cop out or they wouldnt pay
lets wait for somebody to pass the test first
then if they act the way you think they will act, you get to complain. not before
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby Craig Browning » 27 Oct 2010, 02:48

really? wrote:
Craig Browning wrote:
Arouet wrote:I'm sure if she'd apply, she'd get tested. If she passed, she'd get paid.

What I'm surprised at, Scepcop, is why you believe reality tv? Do you really think its real?

lol


Especially now that he's got on foot in the grave and could use one more big PR boost... IMAGINE... someone wins the Million... and it's really there in their hand; no stock option games, or bonds or any other such pea and shell games.


Keep up with the program.
It was announced at The Amazing Meeting in Las Vegas last week that Banachek will take control of the James Randi Educational Foundation’s Million Dollar Challenge which offers the big money bounty to anyone who can reproduce psychic or supernatural phenomenon under scientific test conditions. In our humble opinion, this is very much for the best and we congratulate Banachek and the JREF.

In the interest of full disclosure, the publisher of this site once held the role that Banachek has now assumed and the editor of iTricks was once and intern at the JREF. http://itricks.com/news/2010/07/banache ... challenge/


What bad things do you have to say about Banachek ?[/quote[]

Me? Nothing, Steve's a great guy and we've had several enlightening conversations over the years
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Re: Michelle Whitedove - Winner of Americas Psychic Challeng

Postby derrida » 27 Oct 2010, 05:36

perfect
so when banachek takes over JREF
will you stop complaining? will you accept that the challenge is real? that there´s money ?
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