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Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

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Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby ciscop » 19 May 2010, 07:43

So this guy teaches how to have x-ray vision in his courses
http://www.bronnikovmethod.com/

in his webpage you can see his son ¨reading¨ with his eyes blind folded
in the course he teaches the people to see thru boxes (well.. kind of.. )

and here.. he is challenged by derren to see to the contents of a box
of course.. Bronnikov refuses to do it.. ¨because is negative and it isnt scientific¨
if you were able to do it, you are the master of it.. wouldnt you do it??... Of course you would!
believers fail every test when they are challenged! at the end is just dumbness and charlatanerie

this guy refused just like Daz to the same test !! hahahaha.. of course.. nothing new there!.. :lol:

all i can say after seeing all this is that Bronnikov is a scam artist and a clown.. what a pathetic excuse for a human being
telling a kid he could walk and have superpowers if he follows his 2k method..

of course.. this guy gave his story about the blind who could see.. when asked about the name.. he chicken out.. always the same story with believers... ooh.. is so funny to see them getting cornered

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Re: Just like DAZ... meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby ciscop » 19 May 2010, 08:17

by the way.. when i wrote.. Just like Daz
i wasnt saying like.. i believe Daz has X-ray vision
i dont think Daz has anything else but an impressive ability to self deceive himself
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Re: Just like DAZ... meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby Nostradamus » 19 May 2010, 11:50

IU love the lies this guy tells. He knows that things are true unless the basic details are asked.

It's not how well the boy actually sees. I's not if the boy exists. Typically scumbag hoax.

Can you say Bernie Madoff?
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Re: Just like DAZ... meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby dazsmith » 19 May 2010, 23:08

lol it that your best?
ive posted many examples that you don't even look at because you cant explain them away - all you can do is bitch and moan because you cant be taken seriously enough for anyone to do a perosnal demo just for you.

rv example posted YET gain as you conveniently keep missing them - all done and presented in public - all done BLIND.
http://www.remoteviewed.com/files/11.4. ... sydney.pdf

Was I on target or off - or was this ah yes the sceptical answer for everything - just a coincidence?

CIscop,
can you answer this one question - on this example did i not describe and correctly identify the rv target weeks before it had even been chosen as a target by a random process?

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Re: Just like DAZ... meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby ciscop » 20 May 2010, 01:20

hahahaha thats the best you can do Daz?
always referencing the past like Bronnikov??

really daz why you think CIA cut away the funding for those dummy programs?
because they dont work!!.. if they worked we would be using them
and not just cherry picking words after you know what was the target

really.. shut me up by doing a test!!
you are doing exactly what Bronnikov did
you are cowardly saying pretty much the same thing
i wont do it for you.. you are not a scientist, i wont be part of your circus


lets put something in a box and let see if you can describe it

but you wouldnt could you?
you will chicken out and fade away
since you CANT do it
your dummy beliefs can never be challenged, you know you will fail
just like bronnikov..

on your advantage i can tell you that i know bronnikov is a scam artist and a douche
you are just self delluded
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 May 2010, 15:48

Ciscop - If you are personally not impressed by information posted on this Forum, by all means feel free to rebutt, ask questions or state your opinion. However, you are getting a bit 'nasty' with your comments so please lighten up.
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby ciscop » 21 May 2010, 03:52

i am having fun
i am lighten up

please stop harrasing me NP
read what Daz posted he said i was ¨bitching and moaning¨ thats insulting.. but your comment was directed to me
common, NP, stop with that attitude, we had before KK and H2 before you banned them, there is only 5 active members and now you are on your way to ban me, i doubt thats what Wu wanted, a 4 members forum.

and by the way
i am not doing anything bad
do you want to tell me
you dont see the comparison between Daz and Bronnikov?
lets see

1. Bronnikov says he was x-ray vision, they put an object in a box, Bronnikov dennies to do the test and keeps talking about the past
2. Daz says he can do RV,
we say if we put an object in a box could he tell us what it is?
.. Daz denies to do it and keeps posting meaningless links of him cherrypicking

see?

so, i am going to keep having fun and making fun of daz
the predictability of believers is hilarious, i knew that when challenged Daz would chicken out, that´s what believers do all the time. they just back off and talk stories.

so, until daz does it, i will keep reminded everybody that Daz ran away from a challenge here
there is nothing wrong in that
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby NinjaPuppy » 21 May 2010, 04:14

Then I will say this, KEEP IT ON ONE TOPIC. I am tired of reading the same old crap from you spread in multiple topics on the Forum. No matter what the topic you repeat the same thing. You do it with the Professor and now you are doing it with Daz. We don't need multiple RV topics.
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby ciscop » 21 May 2010, 04:44

hahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes.. a guy says he has a supernatural ability and see and describe objects far away and then refuses to do a test
and i am the one talking crap for insisting in seeing it..
thats hilarious!

however
i think the topic is very clear here
you are welcome to be part of it

do you see the relation between bronnikov and daz?
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby NinjaPuppy » 21 May 2010, 07:56

RV is not x-ray vision. RV is not considered some supernatural ability either. RV is remote viewing and Daz follows a protocol. He doesn't do RV for parties either.
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby ciscop » 21 May 2010, 08:46

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
you have to be kidding me
there´s no such thing as paranormal nor supernatural just things we just dont know yet.. isnt it right?

let me put it like this.
both are saying they can do something but when they are presented with the opportunity to prove it
they both chicken out and started talking about the past
that´s the relation

RV and x-rays are the same in the sense they are both mental

and please.. explain me how is RV not supernatural?.. well.. i guess that if you see it as i see it.. a guy saying the whole dictionary and then cherry picking the one word that he finds its related to the object, then i agree.. RV isnt supernatural and there´s a reason why CIA closed the programs.
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby Nostradamus » 21 May 2010, 10:33

RV is not x-ray vision. RV is not considered some supernatural ability either. RV is remote viewing and Daz follows a protocol. He doesn't do RV for parties either.


Daz is the one that says it is not paranormal or supernatural or anything like that. I didn't question him on that claim, because by definition it isn't normal. I don't care what Daz wants to call it I know that it is considered to be a paranormal issue by most people. He can use the language any way he wants, but the rest of us can use it the way that the majority understands.

I asked Daz about his protocol and all he says is that he uses a protocol that does not address itself to testing. It is purposely chosen to make the results open to interpretation by the individual. In other words, it is set up to look good for the believer and like rubbish to the person that does not believe in it.
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby ciscop » 21 May 2010, 18:02

im glad i have your support nostradamus

im also tired of seeing daz posting links and never doing a simple test for us
and it seems in the believers community thats ok
you are able to post and say whatever dumb stuff you come up with and nobody will challenge it

so.. right now i want to say
that i am able to levitate
but only when i am sleeping and if nobody is looking at me nor recording nor taking pictures of me me
but i am sure, i am levitating.. that sure be enought proof for you. right?
by the way levitating isnt supernatural nor paranormal.. since i say so..

screw you all if you dont believe me

i am also papa smurff.. but thats another story
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby NinjaPuppy » 22 May 2010, 19:06

Nostradamus wrote:Daz is the one that says it is not paranormal or supernatural or anything like that. I didn't question him on that claim, because by definition it isn't normal. I don't care what Daz wants to call it I know that it is considered to be a paranormal issue by most people. He can use the language any way he wants, but the rest of us can use it the way that the majority understands.

Since skeptics claim that the paranormal doesn't exist, then how can something be classified by a skeptic as paranormal? From what I have read from Daz, I have interpreted his comments as a bunch of people sitting around, writing down things that pop into their heads on a piece of paper with a common link in a controlled atmosphere. After the writing, the results are reviewed/compaired/calculated or whatever term you'd like to use here.

Now here is where I may be completely off base with my interpretation of Daz's explanation but I see it nothing more than a mental exercise. An experiment of sorts.

ND wrote:I asked Daz about his protocol and all he says is that he uses a protocol that does not address itself to testing. It is purposely chosen to make the results open to interpretation by the individual. In other words, it is set up to look good for the believer and like rubbish to the person that does not believe in it.

When you put the word 'believer' into the mix, RV starts to sound very mystical. I see it as a skill or talent. For example, it's no different from a card player. There is a certain amount of 'skill' (I will use that word lightly) needed to be a good card player. However, there are only 52 cards in a deck so that makes for better odds with what some deem 'the luck of the draw'. RV doesn't have a set number to it. IMO, that makes RV much more interesting to me than watching a professional poker match.

I came here to see what other people have to offer on the topics as well as to see for myself how Winston's claims against skeptics hold up in a real life situation. I'd say that Winston is pretty much on the money with his claims from what I'm seeing here. Daz has offered his experiences in a subject and he has been treated like some traveling circus side show rather than allowed to even offer his experience without constant need for defending himself.
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Re: Just like DAZ..meet Bronnikov the X-ray guy

Postby NinjaPuppy » 22 May 2010, 19:18

I can understand much of the skpetic rebuttal as I'm sure I may have asked many of the exact same questions if given the opportunity. I am certainly not objecting to good rebuttal. Some skeptics are better than others with their commentary or more concise when posing a question. It does become almost impossible to follow a topic when multiple threads get started or a member follows around another member tacking nasty comments about one topic into another. That borders on a personal attack and not good conversation.
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