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Postby ciscop » 17 Dec 2009, 14:34

telekinesis, pyrokinesis, ouija board, psychic readings are a few of the videos that are debunked from youtube (which they previously posted)
it is conducted by the Derren Brown

awesome site, with a lot of things to think about
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Re: science of scams

Postby ciscop » 17 Dec 2009, 14:35

ciscop wrote:telekinesis, pyrokinesis, ouija board, psychic readings are a few of the videos that are debunked from youtube (which they previously posted)
it is conducted by the Derren Brown

awesome site, with a lot of things to think about


www.scienceofscams.com
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Re: science of scams

Postby The Warrigal » 17 Dec 2009, 17:53

Looks like a cool link CISCOP.

I'll go through it in detail in a day or so.

I did the Are You A Believer test and came out as follows:


You have scored 30 points! You are a:

MILD SCEPTIC
You find it hard to believe in the paranormal and you have doubts behind the reliability of many sources. You think that most stories are scams and you don't like to waste your time thinking about them. You are not superstitious and you like to believe that there is a scientific answer behind most things.
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Re: science of scams

Postby NinjaPuppy » 17 Dec 2009, 19:44

Take it for what it's worth....here's me:

You have scored 28 points! You are a:

MILD SCEPTIC
You find it hard to believe in the paranormal and you have doubts behind the reliability of many sources. You think that most stories are scams and you don't like to waste your time thinking about them. You are not superstitious and you like to believe that there is a scientific answer behind most things.
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Re: science of scams

Postby ciscop » 21 Dec 2009, 13:15

this is me

You have scored 36 points! You are a:
STRONG SCEPTIC
You do not believe in anything that doesn't have scientific facts behind it. You believe that you have to experience something yourself in order to have faith in it, and as you haven't experienced any paranormal events you are a strict non-believer. You think that luck or fluke are at the heart of most 'supernatural events' and you believe the rest are complete fakes.

which kind of funny
last night i was at a xmas party and suddenly people start telling their ghost stories
i do enjoy hearing this stories
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Re: science of scams

Postby Kevin Kane » 28 Jan 2010, 20:16

These guys have already been debunked. Check out their videos .. caught manipulating. One of them is a hypno-magician and the other is a pharm shill for realz.
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Re: science of scams

Postby ciscop » 29 Jan 2010, 07:09

Kevin Kane wrote:These guys have already been debunked. Check out their videos .. caught manipulating. One of them is a hypno-magician and the other is a pharm shill for realz.


what? your logic doesnt work this way too?
you are such an hypocrite!!!
see?? now i can said just like you
NO!
JUST LIKE URI GELLER
they were caught only cheating ON THAT VIDEO
you cant prove they cheated ALWAYS
so in the others, HE DID IT FOR REAL !

hahahahahaha

dude
that guy is Derren Brown, a Mind Reader
which translates to A MAGICAN
he does tricks and debunks psychics
he doesnt do it for real.. (well.. sometimes he does).
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Re: science of scams

Postby Kevin Kane » 29 Jan 2010, 08:06

That's right .. he's a magician. He's not a scientist. The videos are not science but entertainment. The videos are funny little fabricated stories to make people (idiots) believe they are seeing science. But it's not science. It's magic. It's skeptic magic.
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Re: science of scams

Postby ciscop » 29 Jan 2010, 15:44

Kevin Kane wrote:That's right .. he's a magician. He's not a scientist. The videos are not science but entertainment. The videos are funny little fabricated stories to make people (idiots) believe they are seeing science. But it's not science. It's magic. It's skeptic magic.


no
those videos were posted in youtube
to prove that stupid people like YOU... perhaps know..
will said... OOOH THATS GOT TO BE TRUE SINCE I DONT KNOW HOW HE DID IT.. THATS TRUE
just like you believing in retarded parlor tricks an award winning magician did on the 70s
and then.. a smart people like derren DEBUNK the same kind of bullshit

it was an awesome experiment to prove that YOU.. KEVIN arent alone
there's a lot of wishfull thinking people that will fall for any scam or parlor trick

is ok... being slow isnt a sin after all
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Re: science of scams

Postby Craig Browning » 13 Feb 2010, 06:35

:cry: I was so hoping to not here the name of Derren Brown on this forum; every F*ing newbie to magic that's from the UK wants to be the next Derren or worse, Criss (I'm a middle-aged Goth Child)Angel. :roll:

I do believe most people that had even preliminary Psychology classes in school is familiar with ideomotor syndrome, I even teach people with mobility issues how to use this technique in steering their wheelchairs (the joysticks really are that sensitive). BUT, there is another reality here that I bring up only because of my personal work with dowsing. Simply put, there IS a lot more to it than what the analytical want to use as a cover-all explanation; not in the case of Derren or any other Psychic Entertainer type character (including yours truly) but when working with someone that really is "in tune" with things, pendulums, planchettes, rods and yokes can go a bit crazy... I've had water twigs pull me hard enough to fall and seen them literally pulled from a persons hands and stuck into the ground.

Please understand what I'm saying here; I'm not saying that ideomotor isn't involved. In the majority of cases it is very much what's afoot but in certain rare settings very dramatic things can happen when working with such systems.

BTW... I do make nice wood planchettes if anyone wants to go ghost hunting :lol:
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Re: science of scams

Postby ciscop » 16 Feb 2010, 09:28

Twags that make you fell?
was that an iron twag and you were looking for a 30pounds neodiminium magnet?
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Re: science of scams

Postby Craig Browning » 17 Feb 2010, 00:57

ciscop wrote:Twags that make you fell?
was that an iron twag and you were looking for a 30pounds neodiminium magnet?



You're thinking of the Meteor hunter guys on the Science Channel :mrgreen:


No, when you have "the gift" as gramps would say, strange things can happen when you hold that Y stick (I've never done well with those bent coat hanger things all the New Ager's use; give me a Pendulum, Y stick or OKIMETER device and I can go to town).

The Y Stick is not just a stick that's been laying around, there is some folk logic connected to what is used, when and where. When it comes to water witching you must use a fresh cut branch from a water loving plant/tree. Mountain folk explain it as being a kind of sympathetic magick; the fresh twig wanting water. A well trained dowser that's sensitive to how the stick moves (just like Muscle Reading) can be guided to "sweet water" (usually an underground spring) The catch is, the water must be moving, not standing. But there is more to it that even dowsers of our current time, have been adding to the idea around the method; namely the geography of the area being searched and its geology. Just like doing a Reading for folks, you are consciously or subconsciously picking up on physical cues in the landscape that aid you at the intuitive level, in realizing where that spring probably is.

Do understand that this is just something members of my family have done for generations and not something I do in a vocational manner. In fact it's not even something I practice all that much outside of the occasional bit of challenging myself... but it's been years since I've done that.

One Case in Point however... famed magician Channing Pollock located several high producing oil wells for J.P. Getty using only a pendulum and topographic maps. If I remember the story right, it was part of a bet, was done on the spot (impromptu e.g. no pre-knowledge possible)
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Re: science of scams

Postby ciscop » 17 Feb 2010, 02:23

never heard about that story...
i know channing pollock was known for being one of the greatest in dove magic
a lot of the stuff he created is still in use by dove workers today. but i never knew he was on that side of the fence

all right..
so.. the water has to be moving
so the test done by Randi with dowsers was badly made
because the water was just hidden between 50 other closed containers and it was sitted not moving like you said
so they were bound to fail.. that´s interesting
it´s a shame that the dowsers didnt said that and took the test.

here is a little of
the great Channing Pollock
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Re: science of scams

Postby Craig Browning » 17 Feb 2010, 04:42

There's a joke in the Psychic World known as the RANDI RETIREMENT PROGRAM. Essentially, you get in on his challenge or whatever so he gets you on the radio, Tv, etc. and after he's run of gloating about proving you a nut case, you go out and book a lecture circuit at top dollar through the speaker's associations across the country. Tour for a couple of years, write the book and in under a decade, retire with a nice 7 digit nest egg.

If that old perv only knew how much the psychics were taking him for a ride :lol:
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Re: science of scams

Postby ciscop » 17 Feb 2010, 04:51

Craig Browning wrote:There's a joke in the Psychic World known as the RANDI RETIREMENT PROGRAM. Essentially, you get in on his challenge or whatever so he gets you on the radio, Tv, etc. and after he's run of gloating about proving you a nut case, you go out and book a lecture circuit at top dollar through the speaker's associations across the country. Tour for a couple of years, write the book and in under a decade, retire with a nice 7 digit nest egg.

If that old perv only knew how much the psychics were taking him for a ride :lol:


i would like to see that happening

who in the psychic world has done that?
nor uri nor sylvia nor rosamary althea took his challenge
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