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Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby ciscop » 08 Sep 2009, 08:54

i dont know what are you talking about as usual
but
well done
you are the pack leader of the anti skepticism movement
i clearly can see you as the antitesis of randi

my vote is on you
;)

i really believe this is the best attempt ever to discredit jref
and you will be the closest one to get to do it
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby highflyertoo » 08 Sep 2009, 09:14

ciscop wrote:i dont know what are you talking about as usual
but
well done
you are the pack leader of the anti skepticism movement
i clearly can see you as the antitesis of randi

my vote is on you
;)

i really believe this is the best attempt ever to discredit jref
and you will be the closest one to get to do it


Come to the Shopping Centre in Western Australia and witness the Telekinesis first hand. Unless you're not really interested as your mannerism implies.
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby ciscop » 08 Sep 2009, 09:25

hahaha you want me to cross the world to see you?
no thanks, thats sounds like a dangerous adventure
i dont want to be in western australia evening news ¨mental patient kills tourist¨

but i do promess i will go to your country
looks like a beautiful place full of awesome people and the best looking girls on the planet (to me at least)
have a good one!

and I FIRMLY BELIEVE
that you are one of the best guys around that the antiskepticism movement has to offer
you should be their leader
you are AWESOME,
i bow to your greatness
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby Azrael » 11 Sep 2009, 01:19

I was in a park today and a leaf moved,was that you highflyertoo? LMAO.
I'm always very skeptical of any situation where someone's notability hinges on their connection to another notable person
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby highflyertoo » 12 Sep 2009, 04:42

Azrael wrote:I was in a park today and a leaf moved,was that you highflyertoo? LMAO.


Would you believe that I eventually could lift cars?
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby soldiergirl » 12 Sep 2009, 09:32

Highflyer,

I believe you can lift a car because I have lifted one myself before. Gotta love modern conveniences such as car jacks.
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby highflyertoo » 03 Oct 2009, 11:11

My time of Telekinesis will happen from when I turn 42 years old which coincides with the Death of President Barack Obama .
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby ciscop » 04 Oct 2009, 03:12

i thought you already proved your telekinesis powers

man...
you know highflyer
when i think about you
i think about that J.Lo movie: ¨the cell¨
i would really like to see what´s up in your mind

you and radin gotta be the craziest people around
all the power to you
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby highflyertoo » 07 Oct 2009, 20:18

ciscop wrote:i thought you already proved your telekinesis powers

man...
you know highflyer
when i think about you
i think about that J.Lo movie: ¨the cell¨
i would really like to see what´s up in your mind

you and radin gotta be the craziest people around
all the power to you


If you don't believe in the paranormal then why not look for something else to fill in your time :D
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby ProfWag » 07 Oct 2009, 20:48

highflyertoo wrote:
If you don't believe in the paranormal then why not look for something else to fill in your time :D

I won't answer for ciscop, but for me, there are many people (far too many in my opinion) getting hurt both mentally and financially over their belief in those psychics that are fraudulent. They need to be exposed for what they are. It would help the psychic community as a whole if we had more definitive evidence that there is something to their claims.
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 07 Oct 2009, 21:58

ProfWag wrote:
highflyertoo wrote:
If you don't believe in the paranormal then why not look for something else to fill in your time :D

I won't answer for ciscop, but for me, there are many people (far too many in my opinion) getting hurt both mentally and financially over their belief in those psychics that are fraudulent. They need to be exposed for what they are. It would help the psychic community as a whole if we had more definitive evidence that there is something to their claims.


"It would help the psychic community as a whole if we had more definitive evidence that there is something to their claims." In theory it could help but even if scientific evidence was found it still would not put any regulations on morals and ethics pertaining to the profession. Name a profession that hasn't uncovered violations of morals and ethics.
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby ProfWag » 07 Oct 2009, 22:26

NinjaPuppy wrote:
ProfWag wrote:
highflyertoo wrote:
If you don't believe in the paranormal then why not look for something else to fill in your time :D

I won't answer for ciscop, but for me, there are many people (far too many in my opinion) getting hurt both mentally and financially over their belief in those psychics that are fraudulent. They need to be exposed for what they are. It would help the psychic community as a whole if we had more definitive evidence that there is something to their claims.


"It would help the psychic community as a whole if we had more definitive evidence that there is something to their claims." In theory it could help but even if scientific evidence was found it still would not put any regulations on morals and ethics pertaining to the profession. Name a profession that hasn't uncovered violations of morals and ethics.

Great point Ninja!
Off the top of my head, I can think of five that follow morals and ethics to the "T":
Politicians, Actors, Religous Leaders, Sports Figures, and Talk Show Hosts. Oh, wait a minute... ;-)
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby brett » 07 Oct 2009, 22:48

got to agree with you there prof - our politico's are shining example of moral rectitude ( or is that immoral rectums ?? ) :lol: :lol:

as to fake mediums the following may be of intrest :

Until recently, in extreme cases, con artists posing as psychics or mediums could be prosecuted under the Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951. Prosecutions were rare, though, because successful conviction demanded that an “intent to deceive” be demonstrated. In 2008, the Fraudulent Mediums Act was abolished, and the problem of fake psychics is dealt with now as a fair trading issue rather than a criminal matter.

Even in the realm of the paranormal, you still have consumer rights. ** If you believe a “psychic” is operating fraudulently, and money is involved, you can report them to the Trading Standards organisation. They may be able to take action.

If the psychic advertises, and you believe the claims in the advertisement are false or misleading, you can also report them to the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA). One unfortunate “psychic” called Zara found herself hauled in front of the ASA which rejected her claims that she was the “UK’s premier psychic”, that her spells could lead to success in “ Love Money Health Career & Family” and that “for every problem there is a solution”. She was ordered not to make such claims again.

Thanks to an EU directive, all psychics operating in Britain are required to post a disclaimer on their business premises, stating that the service is supplied for entertainment purposes only.

see we got em taped over here - yea right :roll:

** - however when approaching your local trading standards department - be prepared NOT to be taken too seriously :roll:
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 07 Oct 2009, 23:04

People who are hell bent on taking advantage of others will always find that legal loophole to wiggle their way out of trouble. Since there are no regulations on anything associated with the paranormal subjects, it's like declaring open season. In order to take something like this to court, you need to rely on basic business practice laws or State/local license law.

Organized religions around the world used this for centuries.
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Re: Prophetic Telekinesis to debunk JREF

Postby ProfWag » 08 Oct 2009, 01:23

Thanks for sharing that info Brett. Good stuff!
My personal thought is that the "for entertainment purposes" clause is to protect the psychic rather than the victim, er, uh, uhm, the person receiving the reading. I don't think that disclaimer does much to detract the person wanting to spend money, but it does offer a "way out" for those psychics who are acting fraudulently. Again, just my biased opinion.
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