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Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby Scepcop » 06 Aug 2009, 03:54

Which of you skeptics here is man enough, objective enough, and honest enough to admit that it was wrong here for Randi to lie about Rupert Sheldrake just to try to win an argument?

http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html

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The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby ciscop » 06 Aug 2009, 04:32

sheldrake the guy with the dog sixth sense theory?
i think that goes both ways..
is sheldrake a quack for not having anybody backing up his claim in the scientific community yet?

i also remember that dog controversy..
but i still cant recall if the dog run to the door at a certain time to wait for the guy or he run every time he heard a car

my previous dog (i miss you whitey!) also runned to the door to bark each time a car came by.. but i knew dogs have a super auditory sense.. so i didnt thought it was supernatural... im pretty sure my dog wasnt supernatural.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby SeanRMR » 06 Aug 2009, 07:12

By the looks of it we don't have to admit anything as Randi himself has already admitted it.
"I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby The Professor » 06 Aug 2009, 08:22

I totally see your point.

Randi made a "Public Declaration" that was total BS !!!!!

He needs to make a "Public Declaration" that he Lied about the whole thing!

He never even SAW the tape ...... What a Liar. He needs to fess up to everyone he lied to!
And yes ...... Publicly 8-) 8-)

Will you follow blindly or actually see the truth?
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby Ozz » 06 Aug 2009, 08:53

Dave,

You're an idiot.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby The Professor » 06 Aug 2009, 09:12

Ozz wrote:Dave,

You're an idiot.


When caught in a lie all you can do is insult others?

Shows how WEAK MINDED you are !!!!! LMAO

Have some B@LLS and FESS UP !!!!!!!

Or are you a MINDLESS FOLLOWER?
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby General Zod » 06 Aug 2009, 12:10

1. By your own account, Randi admitted to his mistakes.
2. I don't speak for Randi, and Randi doesn't speak for me.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby Ozz » 06 Aug 2009, 12:20

The Professor wrote:When caught in a lie all you can do is insult others?


For starters, this is not my lie. If you want to go down the road of accusing all skeptics of being bad people because one of them "lied", then I've got a massive list of religious pedophiles, thieves and terrorists that I can put in the same basket as you.

The Professor wrote:Shows how WEAK MINDED you are !!!!! LMAO

Have some B@LLS and FESS UP !!!!!!!

Or are you a MINDLESS FOLLOWER?


Secondly, you're still an idiot.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby The Professor » 06 Aug 2009, 12:48

Scepcop wrote:Which of you skeptics here is man enough, objective enough, and honest enough to admit that it was wrong here for Randi to lie about Rupert Sheldrake just to try to win an argument?

http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html

James Randi

The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.


So ..... NO PSEUDO-SKEPTICS ARE MAN ENOUGH !!!!!!

How's it feel to have a leader that has been proven a LIAR so many times?
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby Ozz » 06 Aug 2009, 13:12

The Professor wrote:
So ..... NO PSEUDO-SKEPTICS ARE MAN ENOUGH !!!!!!

How's it feel to have a leader that has been proven a LIAR so many times?


I don't consider James Randi my leader. This is another fine example of the kind of narrow minded behavior still demonstrated by religious fundamentalists like The Professor. In his world, he needs someone to tell him what to do. However skeptics and atheists are whats known as "free-thinkers" - which means we think for ourselves, and don't wait for someone else to instruct us as to what our opinion should be.

You're a very sad man Dave.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby SeanRMR » 06 Aug 2009, 13:19

What are you talking about Ozz I thought you were our leader. Damn.

On a serious note. James Randi is not my leader while I do listen to what he says I won't follow him blindly that would be silly. In my own morals I would say that lying and not fessing up to forward your agenda but it is shown he did fess up to it according to the opening post.

So the question to you The Professor how do you feel about being proven a liar so many times.
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby The Professor » 06 Aug 2009, 13:20

You are right .. you are a free thinker making excuses for your leader ... who's been proven a big LIAR by SCEPCOP !!!!
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby The Professor » 06 Aug 2009, 13:23

SeanRMR wrote:What are you talking about Ozz I thought you were our leader. Damn.

On a serious note. James Randi is not my leader while I do listen to what he says I won't follow him blindly that would be silly. In my own morals I would say that lying and not fessing up to forward your agenda but it is shown he did fess up to it according to the opening post.

So the question to you The Professor how do you feel about being proven a liar so many times.


I'VE NEVER BEEN PROVEN A LIAR !!!!!!!

Good try at derailing though Seamer ... you are turning into a follower just like the rest ... SAD .... There was hope for you. (See what you've become .. just like the followers of the cult leader) He lies ...and you become BLIND!!!! Just like any Cult!!!!
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby ciscop » 06 Aug 2009, 13:55

The Professor wrote:
SeanRMR wrote:What are you talking about Ozz I thought you were our leader. Damn.

On a serious note. James Randi is not my leader while I do listen to what he says I won't follow him blindly that would be silly. In my own morals I would say that lying and not fessing up to forward your agenda but it is shown he did fess up to it according to the opening post.

So the question to you The Professor how do you feel about being proven a liar so many times.


I'VE NEVER BEEN PROVEN A LIAR !!!!!!!

Good try at derailing though Seamer ... you are turning into a follower just like the rest ... SAD .... There was hope for you. (See what you've become .. just like the followers of the cult leader) He lies ...and you become BLIND!!!! Just like any Cult!!!!


I HAVE TO STAND MY GROUND HERE
I DONT LIKE IT!!!
The professor isnt an idiot!!! he isnt amazingly stupid!!

he is retarded!!
i told you so many times.. this guy is retardeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
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i predict the retarded... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOH OOOH OOOOH
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Re: Will u skeptics admit Randi was wrong to lie re: Sheldrake?

Postby General Zod » 07 Aug 2009, 00:25

Never wrestle a pig, ciscop. You just get dirty and the pig likes it.
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