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The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 09:32

There are many questions about the HOAX of Washington University.
Unfortunately I only get the JREF side of this.
What does the Washington University have to say about being duped?

Plus ... Isn't a HOAX a BAD THING? Since when should it be spun into something good?
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 09:42

running out of topics?.. same forum you posted at the cafe..
banachek already answer all your questions

and i know you are slow but is called: PROJECT ALPHA, we told you like 10 times at the cafe.
here is the video to the PROJECT ALPHA


and project alpha
let the people and the world known that Mentalists and Magicians can easily fool scientists if there arent proper controls
just like uri does, it also was helpful since now they take in mind randi´s ¨controls to avoid cheating¨ (personally i like richard wiseman´s book better)
i think it was good for the paranormalist too because if this procedures are implemented and still there is esp or psi or whatever.. then they found the REAL DEAL and not another magician looking for publicity.

those scientists were looking for paranormal stuff without trying first to deduce if THEY WERE BEING CHEATED
the project is awesome, because randi actually told them that they were being cheated and how to avoid being cheated, the scientists ignore him and they deserve what they got...
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 10:00

Thanks John ... but I want the OTHER SIDE ... Not the JREF TALKING POINTS.

Where is this on the Cafe?
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby Ozz » 05 Aug 2009, 10:51

The Professor wrote:Thanks John ... but I want the OTHER SIDE ... Not the JREF TALKING POINTS.

Where is this on the Cafe?


It got deleted, which I'm sure you're ecstatic about. Along with the rest of your lies and libelous statements.
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby SeanRMR » 05 Aug 2009, 11:04

Here we go a document from the other side

http://www.aiprinc.org/para-c05_Thalbourne_1995.pdf
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 11:32

Thanks seamer ... Very Good !!!!!

Please look at the very end .. their conclusion.

A research brief delivered at the Parapsychological Associ-
ation Annual Convention in August 1981, at Syracuse University, men-
tions several events that have occurred, including influence on standard
keys, Polaroid photographic film, and electronic fuses. However, ordinary
explanations exist for these effects, given the conditions under which they
have been observed. Thus, although several events of interest have tran-
spired, we do not claim that evidence conclusive of “psychic ability” has
yet been demonstrated in our research. We hope that in the future we and
others will be able to conduct tests under conditions which will allow us to
drawmore definite conclusions.
Peter R. Phillips
Mark Shafer
McDonnell Laboratory for Psychical Research

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So randi claims that he FOOLED them but that was a lie!
He FOOLED no one except the people he lied to.
_________________________________________________________________

And THIS !!!!!!!

POSTSCRIPT 1995:TWELVE YEARS ON
Though over a decade has gone by since the public revelation of the
RandiHoax(otherwiseknownasProjectAlpha), its architect James Randi
continuestomakeuseofitforentertainment and other purposes. One such
use was in an introduction to a performance by Steve Shaw at the banquet
of the Dallas meeting of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of
Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP), held October 16-18, 1992 . Given the nature of
that Randi chose to
pour ridicule and sarcasm upon the efforts of parapsychology. More dis-
turbing, however, is the distorted version of events he gives surrounding
the Hoax. In particular, and among other incorrect statements, he implies
that the MacLab failed to consult him until after the Hoax was revealed,
and that after consulting him no more experiments were conducted. Both
claims are entirely false. Faced with such ongoing misrepresentation, and
in spite of the late date, this paper has been published in order to have on
public record the point of view of the MacLab. In his introduction Randi
refers to his faulty memory, and we can only hope that it doesn’t continue
to cause him to misdescribe the facts surrounding his Hoax, as he did on
this occasion. As Peter Phillips commented, “when people misremember
something they usually do it in such a way as to make themselves look
better,” quoting Shakespeare’s Henry V, “he’ll remember, with advan-
tages, what deeds he did that day.”
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Seems like the whole thing was a LIE !!!!!
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby SeanRMR » 05 Aug 2009, 11:41

You starting at the bottom and working your way up?
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 11:51

SeanRMR wrote:You starting at the bottom and working your way up?

Yes ... Cutting straight to the chase!!!!!!!
After the entire PDF they conclude that randi is lying about the incident.
Perhaps you should read it.
There are MANY other blogs and such from the people involved and they all claim that randi is lying.

Question ... Was there ever a "Paper" .. I know scientists always publish these with their findings ... Was there a scientific paper Published that verifies what randi says?

Where could I find that?
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby SeanRMR » 05 Aug 2009, 12:01

Why don't you try looking at the references in the paper I linked. I'm not your research assistant though that link took me 5 minutes to find.

The paper conceded many things one of which is that Project Alpha did indeed help make parapsychologists look into making more stringent tests.
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 12:16

SeanRMR wrote:Why don't you try looking at the references in the paper I linked. I'm not your research assistant though that link took me 5 minutes to find.

The paper conceded many things one of which is that Project Alpha did indeed help make parapsychologists look into making more stringent tests.


So there was NO SCIENTIFIC PAPER saying what randi claimed!

Don't you get tired of following such a consistent BSer?

Project Alpha showed them to what extents Psuedo-Skeptics would go to HOAX a University and waste public funding.

I'd tighten things up too, knowing this ... Who wouldn't!!!!!
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby SeanRMR » 05 Aug 2009, 12:20

So I say I won't do your research for you. And you read that as there is no paper.

Hmm touche my friend you have got me interested in finding if there is a paper or not you manipulative little man. Though it will have to wait till after work I wonder if my uni access has been taken away from me yet that will give me more searching ability.
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 13:52

SeanRMR wrote:So I say I won't do your research for you. And you read that as there is no paper.

Hmm touche my friend you have got me interested in finding if there is a paper or not you manipulative little man. Though it will have to wait till after work I wonder if my uni access has been taken away from me yet that will give me more searching ability.

Go get em' Seamer ... I knew I could count on you!
Your research is actually quite good.
The Pseudo-Skeptic overload was too much for the Cafe and they just bagged the whole affair. THEY REGRET ALLOWING NON-MAGICIANS ON TO THEIR FORUM! Harry H ... Azreal had a half dozen accounts or so. Just crazy!!! Doesn't work like that.
I wish the threads were still accessible. Save me a lot of work!
Thanks for the help!!!!!
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby Azrael » 05 Aug 2009, 16:39

The Professor wrote:
SeanRMR wrote:So I say I won't do your research for you. And you read that as there is no paper.

Hmm touche my friend you have got me interested in finding if there is a paper or not you manipulative little man. Though it will have to wait till after work I wonder if my uni access has been taken away from me yet that will give me more searching ability.

Go get em' Seamer ... I knew I could count on you!
Your research is actually quite good.
The Pseudo-Skeptic overload was too much for the Cafe and they just bagged the whole affair. THEY REGRET ALLOWING NON-MAGICIANS ON TO THEIR FORUM! Harry H ... Azreal had a half dozen accounts or so. Just crazy!!! Doesn't work like that.
I wish the threads were still accessible. Save me a lot of work!
Thanks for the help!!!!!



Moderator these allegations are untrue and are damaging. Kindly give this member a warning again. He cannot back up any of his stupid claims. No wonder his daughter is in the crack house.

Oh and Dave I bet I know more about magic than you. Wanna challenge?
I'm always very skeptical of any situation where someone's notability hinges on their connection to another notable person
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby Azrael » 05 Aug 2009, 16:51

I wish the threads were still accessible. Save me a lot of work!


Communist dumbass Steve Brooks to blame,take it up with him. Meanwhile all these threads are still accesible. Browsers can note all the unanswered questions:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=124640
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=135038

A post here that clears up dragoncon and Itricks lies
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... ost4161732

All talk and no action.All the time.
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Re: The Alpha Project HOAX "Other" Side

Postby The Professor » 06 Aug 2009, 12:55

Azrael wrote:
I wish the threads were still accessible. Save me a lot of work!


Communist dumbass Steve Brooks to blame,take it up with him. Meanwhile all these threads are still accesible. Browsers can note all the unanswered questions:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=124640
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=135038

A post here that clears up dragoncon and Itricks lies
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... ost4161732

All talk and no action.All the time.


So you call Steve Brooks a Communist and a Dumbass... I'm sure he's glad he was right about you and booted your ASS off of his forum .. What was it ... FOUR TIMES!!!!

And my daughter in a CRACKHOUSE ... Them's fightin words you low life scum bucket Troll wannabe !!!!!!!!!!
(Oh ..Please excuse me .. You must have altered your post :)

Now enough of your obvious derailing attempts.

It appears that randi was rejected by Washington Universiry and then LIED about the Alpha project as if they actually fooled someone (Although they did manage to waste some public funding)
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