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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 03 Aug 2012, 22:22

Arouet wrote:i didn't think proponents ever found any skeptic reply to be fun!

Proponents? Do you mean cecil1 or "believers" in general? I can't tell the players here without a scorecard, so I'll need a definition before I can respond in my usual witty manner. ;)
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby cecil1 » 04 Aug 2012, 00:43

One who argues in favor of something : advocate
See proponent defined for English-language learners »
See proponent defined for kids »
Examples of PROPONENT

<a vocal proponent of the use of electric-powered cars>

Origin of PROPONENT
Latin proponent-, proponens, present participle of proponere
First Known Use: 1588
Related to PROPONENT
Synonyms: advocate, advocator, apostle, backer, booster, champion, expounder, espouser, friend, gospeler (or gospeller), herald, hierophant, high priest, paladin, promoter, exponent, protagonist, supporter, true believer, tub-thumper, white knight
Antonyms: adversary, antagonist, opponent

I think he means to be a part of or to advocate Ninja, however context is missing. Maybe Arouet can fill us in on what he means exactly. ;)
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby Arouet » 04 Aug 2012, 00:49

Around boards who discuss psi, a proponent is generally someone who believes in psi. It's generally used as opposite to a skeptic. While they are not quite opposites then tend to serve for gneral divisions of the basic groups.
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 Aug 2012, 02:03

Yes, thanks guys. I know what a proponent is, but I wanted to know: Do you mean cecil1 or "believers" in general? in this particular case.

My reason being that I can't speak for cecil1 but I certainly have no qualms responding as a general proponent.
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby cecil1 » 04 Aug 2012, 02:26

One could be a proponent of skepticism, hence lacking context, an assumption on Arouets part. No biggie i'm used to his muddled explanations. He gets an A for effort however:D
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby Arouet » 04 Aug 2012, 02:40

NinjaPuppy wrote:Yes, thanks guys. I know what a proponent is, but I wanted to know: Do you mean cecil1 or "believers" in general? in this particular case.

My reason being that I can't speak for cecil1 but I certainly have no qualms responding as a general proponent.


I meant proponents in general. Not just cecil1 (not sure if he is a proponent - not sure what he is, honestly).

Cecil - this topic has pretty well run its course - if you've got another one to discuss, I'm up for it. But I don't have anything else for you here. Either try applying againg, or send another email to Lisa.

My offer is still open if you want me to try for you: just send me an email address to use. I don't know the case you're referring to but I'm willing to risk it as being ok.
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby cecil1 » 04 Aug 2012, 03:31

Arouet wrote:(not sure if he is a proponent - not sure what he is, honestly).


I'm a human being Arouet.

I'm sure you are willing to break JREF rules and take the risk of us both being banned for it, but as I stated I prefer the respectful honest upfront approach.

No reply from Lisa Simpson yet from my very polite email request for registration resolve.

You can make any topic you wish within forum rules and if you want me to join the thread simply pm me the link and i'll see what you have to say and do my best to join in the fun!

I suspect JREF does not have the intellectual honesty or mind power to debate me in forum manner so simply deny my reg app.

They probably read my posts on this forum (and other forums as you do yourself) and realized their inadequacy to step up to my level of debate.

speculation, yet a valid one. No reason to not allow me on their forums.
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 Aug 2012, 09:03

cecil1 wrote:I suspect JREF does not have the intellectual honesty or mind power to debate me in forum manner so simply deny my reg app.

They probably read my posts on this forum (and other forums as you do yourself) and realized their inadequacy to step up to my level of debate.

speculation, yet a valid one. No reason to not allow me on their forums.

For whatever reason, I doubt that it's anything like that but hey, what do I know?
[Moderator note: Sorry for any confusion with the mixed up quote. It seems to be a problem with the system lately]
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby cecil1 » 06 Aug 2012, 00:07

Really? What reason would that be? You didn't see me and Arouets last conversation? You think JREF forum would have a better 'proponent' of the establishment than Arouet can muster? If so then I would appreciate it if you could please explain why.
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Aug 2012, 02:31

cecil1 wrote:Really? What reason would that be?

No particular reason, just my personal opinion.
cecil1 wrote:You didn't see me and Arouets last conversation?

Perhaps. I'm not sure which conversation you are specifically referencing here.
cecil1 wrote:You think JREF forum would have a better 'proponent' of the establishment than Arouet can muster?

Yes.
cecil1 wrote:If so then I would appreciate it if you could please explain why.

Because the JREF forum does not have the same rules as this forum and they have a much more diverse and larger group of skeptics. Not to mention that I don't believe that the JREF moderators have my sunny personality or share my attitude that everyone is entitled to their opinion, regardless of which side of fence they're on. Not to say that the JREF moderators are not sunny and bright but there are more than one. Around here, you got me and SCEPCOP and today I received a complaint about me so now I must do my moderator duty and ban myself for one day. See ya!
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby cecil1 » 06 Aug 2012, 02:53

NinjaPuppy wrote:I'm not sure which conversation you are specifically referencing here.


This one below where he has nothing to come back with.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1264&start=210

NinjaPuppy wrote:Because the JREF forum does not have the same rules as this forum and they have a much more diverse and larger group of skeptics. Not to mention that I don't believe that the JREF moderators have my sunny personality or share my attitude that everyone is entitled to their opinion, regardless of which side of fence they're on. Not to say that the JREF moderators are not sunny and bright but there are more than one. Around here, you got me and SCEPCOP and today I received a complaint about me so now I must do my moderator duty and ban myself for one day. See ya!


Perhaps a corporate lawyer on JREF would have a better hope of obfuscating the facts presented than Arouet did, but I doubt it, I've already handled Jlord (he enjoyed following me on the freeman society forums where he lost debate to me there as well) from JREF and his level of tact in debate was lower than Arouets. I have not seen a better disinfo artist than Jlord on JREF except for Jargon Buster(and his many aliases) and he was easier to debate than Jlord regarding canadian law,(also for some strange reason JB was somewhat more rationale to a certain extent) perhaps they are hiding the big guns???

To test this theory I have reregistered with JREF with another seperate email address with the same handle cecil1 just now, I even used Arouet as a reference.

To say JREF has different rules than this forum implies to me that the JREF forum is biased compared to this one is that what you meant Ninja?
I actually have a chance to speak my mind here? If that is what you mean then let me make clear how much I appreciate the opportunity to park my words in the forum here as not many places allow discussion to the degree I can take it to.
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby Arouet » 06 Aug 2012, 05:08

NinjaPuppyt wrote: I received a complaint about me so now I must do my moderator duty and ban myself for one day. See ya!


:mrgreen: :lol: :D :) :o :shock: :? :roll: :ugeek: :mrgreen:
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Aug 2012, 05:19

cecil1 wrote:This one below where he has nothing to come back with.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1264&start=210

Ahhhh yes. How could I forget!

cecil1 wrote:Perhaps a corporate lawyer on JREF would have a better hope of obfuscating the facts presented than Arouet did, but I doubt it, I've already handled Jlord (he enjoyed following me on the freeman society forums where he lost debate to me there as well) from JREF and his level of tact in debate was lower than Arouets.

I must agree with you that Arouet does express an extremely high level of tact when debating, compared to many here who have come and gone.

cecil1 wrote:I have not seen a better disinfo artist than Jlord on JREF except for Jargon Buster(and his many aliases) and he was easier to debate than Jlord regarding canadian law,(also for some strange reason JB was somewhat more rationale to a certain extent) perhaps they are hiding the big guns???

Big guns? Meh. From the small sample of what I've read over there it's more like defeat via mob mentality. They "pile on", making it hard to sometimes follow a coherent train of thought. At least for me.

cecil1 wrote:To test this theory I have reregistered with JREF with another seperate email address with the same handle cecil1 just now, I even used Arouet as a reference.

Well, I'm sure that Arouet will be pleased to hear this.

cecil1 wrote:To say JREF has different rules than this forum implies to me that the JREF forum is biased compared to this one is that what you meant Ninja?

Nope. I never meant to imply that the JREF forum was biased. Just that their posting rules allow for things that may or may not be allowed or should I say, appreciated here.

cecil1 wrote:I actually have a chance to speak my mind here? If that is what you mean then let me make clear how much I appreciate the opportunity to park my words in the forum here as not many places allow discussion to the degree I can take it to.

Of course you have every right to speak your mind here. As long as your style of debate doesn't include name calling, cursing, the exposure of personal information of other members and of course, don't go breaking any laws. Oh, and don't spam.

If you want to know more of the rules of NinjaPuppy, go here: Oh well... I made the info a "sticky" and it poofed. I'll post the thread when I find where I poofed it to.
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Aug 2012, 05:22

Arouet wrote:
NinjaPuppyt wrote: I received a complaint about me so now I must do my moderator duty and ban myself for one day. See ya!

:mrgreen: :lol: :D :) :o :shock: :? :roll: :ugeek: :mrgreen:

What? You got a problem with that?
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Re: Denied registration w/o reason JREF

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