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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 01 Aug 2009, 10:49

The Professor wrote:Seldrake is coming out with a new video in a few weeks ... Hang on to your hats !!!!!


i hope he will come out with a peer reviewed study that supports hi own findings
but well.. i guess a video is all it takes your 3year old intelect to get excited by.
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 01 Aug 2009, 10:55

I'm glad John is distancing himself from randi ... makes it easier.
He sees the handwriting on the wall.
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 01 Aug 2009, 11:22

The Professor wrote:I'm glad John is distancing himself from randi ... makes it easier.
He sees the handwriting on the wall.


randi is a magician i admire and a fellow skeptic whose books are in all the libraries of the world

im just saying
that 80 year old gnome looking fellow
is gonna go soon, and the skeptic movement will keep existing
so time to expand your fight to all the guys in the skeptic movement
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 02 Aug 2009, 13:13

ciscop wrote:
The Professor wrote:I'm glad John is distancing himself from randi ... makes it easier.
He sees the handwriting on the wall.


randi is a magician i admire and a fellow skeptic whose books are in all the libraries of the world

im just saying
that 80 year old gnome looking fellow
is gonna go soon, and the skeptic movement will keep existing
so time to expand your fight to all the guys in the skeptic movement


Nope ... It will implode.
The group has become something other than skeptical ...randi has proven that!
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 03 Aug 2009, 16:41

The Professor wrote:
ciscop wrote:
The Professor wrote:I'm glad John is distancing himself from randi ... makes it easier.
He sees the handwriting on the wall.


randi is a magician i admire and a fellow skeptic whose books are in all the libraries of the world

im just saying
that 80 year old gnome looking fellow
is gonna go soon, and the skeptic movement will keep existing
so time to expand your fight to all the guys in the skeptic movement


Nope ... It will implode.
The group has become something other than skeptical ...randi has proven that!


ok.. so i guess you are going to take alone the skeptic movement
just with delusional posting in forums
yes... that seems like a great idea
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 04 Aug 2009, 08:47

"I guess" is the lame brains way of saying "STRAW MAN"

SO OBVIOUS !!!!!!!
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 04 Aug 2009, 09:21

everything is obvious when you lack the tools of critical thinking
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 04 Aug 2009, 12:04

ciscop wrote:everything is obvious when you lack the tools of critical thinking



THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID ..... So Funny!!!!!!
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 04 Aug 2009, 12:37

im glad you like it
i bet you also lol when someones tears up a paper in front of you
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby highflyertoo » 04 Aug 2009, 15:36

How is it that Randi expects people to believe him on hearsay , when he won't believe others on it? Not a level playing field in my opinion.
Randi was no researcher of the paranormal even though he tried half heartedly.... Shows over.
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby highflyertoo » 04 Aug 2009, 15:50

Here's Ruperts Report on Randi's Bulldust.

http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html


James Randi

The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby highflyertoo » 04 Aug 2009, 16:22

ciscop wrote:everything is obvious when you lack the tools of critical thinking


Randi doesn't really use critical thinking does he ?

One More James Randi Email
(click here to see the first email exchange between Randi and me)

I’ve received one more email from James Randi (below), but I suspect this will be the end of it. He’s not even pretending to be interested in independent research (no surprise) and is insisting on applying his vast knowledge of animal behavior to a test of his own design. It still amazes me how many supposed “critical thinkers” are taken in by this guy.

This email has generated some interesting discussion, but most Skeptics seem to have missed the point.

The issue isn’t the Million Dollar Challenge. Randi can run that anyway he chooses… it’s his million dollars and he makes the rules. The issue how we resolve scientific claims. When Randi attempted to shame Rupert Sheldrake with his Pigasus award he was making a sciecntific claim. When he announced that Sheldrake:

“… doesn’t have the ability… he fails grandly when he actually gets around to doing these things.”

Randi was making another scientific claim.

The question is how do we resolve two completing claims. This is usually done by qualified researchers at respected universities (my approach), but Randi has somehow convivned a large number of Skeptics that JREF is a better way.

If anyone had lingering doubts about the scientific legitimacy of Randi’s claims against Rupert Sheldrake, they can now be put to rest. RIP


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From: Alex Tsakiris [mailto:alex@skeptiko.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:39 AM
To: ‘James Randi’
Subject: RE: Skpetiko interview… News Relase


http://www.skeptiko.com/blog/?p=12


You should reconsider my offer.


Alex


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Why would YOU want to do the test as opposed to having an independent research trained in animal behavior conduct research? This seems very suspicious… especially since I’m not asking you to risk your million dollars.


Moreover, it directly contradicts your earlier statement:

“So, it wouldn’t be me doing the test. It would be someone like Chris French or Wiseman, or some other scientist with the proper credentials. Plenty of places could do this sort of thing, and we always have it done out of house. We don’t do the tests ourselves. We always turn it over to a lab or to an association, organization, college, whatever, who will do the experimentation, the whole run on the thing, and announce the results at the end of it.” (http://www.skeptiko.com/blog/?p=7)


Alex




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From: James Randi
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:58 PM
To: ‘Alex Tsakiris’
Subject: RE: Skpetiko interview


No, we’ll do the test, Alex. I know you’d like to blather on about it, but I’m ONLY interested in doing a test.


James Randi.


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From: Alex Tsakiris

Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:20 PM
To: ‘James Randi’
Subject: Skpetiko interview


Why don’t you come back on Skeptiko and we can discuss this: http://www.skeptiko.com/index.php?id=53


Alex


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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby highflyertoo » 04 Aug 2009, 16:48

Here's a post from a Randite Fanatic under Randi's Skeptic Spell..... The Professor rembers this only to well.


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Posts: 87 If Randi lied or not is completely irrelevant. Either Sheldrake can do what he claims to be able to do, and prove it, or he can't. If he can, then whether Randi lied or not will have no meaning, as Randi will be one voice of dissension among a myriad of scientists who have studied the evidence and were able to verify it as accurate. This would make Randi's statements against it irrelevant. If he can't, then it also makes no difference whether Randi lied or not, as he will have failed to convince anyone else either. Either way, who cares.
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''If Randi lied or not is completely irrelevant''........... How about we make up our own rules as it pleases our status , Oh that's exactly what Randi does.
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 06 Aug 2009, 03:52

randi´s spell?
i forgot randi uses the IMPERIOUS curse on everybody
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 06 Aug 2009, 08:39

Instead of Spell just insert BS !!!!!!!!!
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