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Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby Scepcop » 31 Jul 2009, 16:12

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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby Azrael » 31 Jul 2009, 16:56

Oh wow someone else slags off Randi! So? Sounds like he is sore becuase his tests are a failure.And where are the postive results from working Prof Chris French?
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 31 Jul 2009, 20:57

The resistance is building! :ugeek:
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby Frank Lee » 31 Jul 2009, 22:31

Sheldrake is wrong in the video when he says there is a question about the million dollars and where it is. The money is held in an account by Goldman Sachs and the quarterly statement can be viewed here:

http://www.randi.org/challenge/goldmansachs.pdf

Also, there is no stipulation in the rules of the MDC which requires the odds of success to be a million to one to win the million dollars as Sheldrake states in the video.

I wonder if the 'facts' his research turns up are as faulty as these.

And I to would like to read the results of the joint experiments Sheldrake did with Chris French. Is there a link to information about their research?

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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby Scepcop » 31 Jul 2009, 23:17

Azrael wrote:Oh wow someone else slags off Randi! So? Sounds like he is sore becuase his tests are a failure.And where are the postive results from working Prof Chris French?


Dude, you don't know shit. Sheldrake's tests were a SUCCESS and applauded in the paranormal community. Randi couldn't take it so he lied about Sheldrake. Sheldrake pointed this out in his speech here. Do you think it was right for Randi to lie about Sheldrake? You have no problem with it right, cause you are a cult fanatic, so anything your hero does is justified, including lying. Such skeptics should be banned from this forum, who can't even admit that one of their heros was caught lying red handed. Pathetic.

http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html

James Randi

The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby Frank Lee » 31 Jul 2009, 23:42

Scepcop wrote:
Azrael wrote:Oh wow someone else slags off Randi! So? Sounds like he is sore becuase his tests are a failure.And where are the postive results from working Prof Chris French?


Dude, you don't know shit. Sheldrake's tests were a SUCCESS and applauded in the paranormal community. Randi couldn't take it so he lied about Sheldrake. Sheldrake pointed this out in his speech here. Do you think it was right for Randi to lie about Sheldrake? You have no problem with it right, cause you are a cult fanatic, so anything your hero does is justified, including lying. Such skeptics should be banned from this forum, who can't even admit that one of their heros was caught lying red handed. Pathetic.

http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html

James Randi

The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.


Does anyone take research in dog ESP seriously outside the 'paranormal community'? Let's be honest, the paranormal community buys into a lot of questionable stuff which has never been proven.

Scientific research is peer reviewed and tested repeatedly by others to insure that one researcher isn't using flawed data or procedures. Have Sheldrake's experiments been repeated and peer reviewed by other researchers? Is there any information about the joint experiments he claims, in the video, to have conducted with Chris French?

It isn't right for anyone to lie to support their position and it appears, based on your quote above from Sheldrake's own site, that Randi admitted he was wrong to say what he did with regard to his research with his friend's dogs.

I pointed out two lies Sheldrake told in the video. Do you think it is okay for him to lie about these aspects of the Million Dollar Challenge when making excuses for why he won't apply?

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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby Azrael » 01 Aug 2009, 00:15

Dude, you don't know shit. Sheldrake's tests were a SUCCESS and applauded in the paranormal community. Randi couldn't take it so he lied about Sheldrake. Sheldrake pointed this out in his speech here. Do you think it was right for Randi to lie about Sheldrake? You have no problem with it right, cause you are a cult fanatic, so anything your hero does is justified, including lying. Such skeptics should be banned from this forum, who can't even admit that one of their heros was caught lying red handed. Pathetic.


Hmm let's see..

A success and applauded in paranormal community? You dont see the problem with that?! There is no proof for the paranormal so how can something be judged a success in a field with no scientific standing?

I dont care what Randi does, I admire his stance on woo and his magician career but that's it. It says a lot about the paranormal believers when all they can do is complain about Randi. He isn't the be all and end all, as Sheldrake pointed out there is Chris French,also Richard Wiseman. I assume many scientific organizations would be interested in finding postive results to prove paranormal.

Join in with Professor and Jim Callahan in slagging Randi off but realize it shows your shortcomings. If Randi -who isn't a scientist-is such a problem,how are "believers" going to manage with a real scientist?
Grow up all of you. It's all Randi this Randi that. Because he represents reality and believers cannot handle their delusions being shattered. It hurts,but that's life.
If an 80 year old man is such a barrier between the paranormal and evidence then you have major problems. :roll:
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 01 Aug 2009, 02:37

Like he said.. Randi is just one guy
he might be the most known
but there´s so many others
richard wiseman, richard dawkins, michael shermer, phil plaitt, adam savage, penn and teller, banachek...

also.. PLEASE
correct me if i am wrong
memory fails and i might be wrong
but i think randi refers to a study they did on a guy that claimed his dog had esp
because the dog always run to the door before he got there
turns out the dog always was at the door when the guy get off work
it was a timing thing.. it didnt happen when the guy was coming home on a weekend cause the schedule was irregular
but well.. thats just what i recall
but like i said, i know how memory works and i know i could be wrong, so if any of you remember anything else please help.

however
i would like to see sheldrake investigation being reviewed by scientists
i would like to live in a world with esp
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 01 Aug 2009, 05:03

I predict that many more will come out of the woodwork and let the truth be known.
With them confessing that the MDC is a "Sham" themselves i think many will jump on the band wagon of truth!
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 01 Aug 2009, 06:14

The Professor wrote:I predict that many more will come out of the woodwork and let the truth be known.
With them confessing that the MDC is a "Sham" themselves i think many will jump on the band wagon of truth!


if the bandwagon of truth includes a theme park mascot and a failed phenomenon contestant
im pretty sure they will want to switch wagons
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 01 Aug 2009, 07:20

I see lot's more people joining in. It's like a Michael jackson funeral. Everyone wants in on it now that the JREF is in reverse!
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 01 Aug 2009, 08:27

The Professor wrote:I see lot's more people joining in. It's like a Michael jackson funeral. Everyone wants in on it now that the JREF is in reverse!


hahahahaha
it will be really awesome
if you can pull a list of all this people
im pretty sure there is a lot of people well respected in science and media

(tip: watch all those interviews in bullsh!t, im sure all those wackos and scam artists will join your cruzade)
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby ciscop » 01 Aug 2009, 08:34

by the way
i still dont see whats y our fascination with randi
the skeptic movement is not only 1 guy
have you seen the building of jref? is small !! have you seen the ¨isaac asimov¨ library? is just one room! i have more books in my house!
it is just a SMALL SKEPTIC ASSOCIATION, TAM only gets like 900 people coming to vegas!.. Is nothing! the jref is small potatoes
yet you feel challenged and overwhelm by them!.. by this small bump
you should know that the JREF, in no way represent the skeptic movement
they dont represent me for example.

yet is quite funny seeing you koening and callahan trying to destroy it with your rants and stupidity
so far is just rants on internet forums.. i hope they go and do it for real
no veracity, no honesty...
its difficult to trust in 2 failed magicians with so much hate
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 01 Aug 2009, 10:46

Seldrake is coming out with a new video in a few weeks ... Hang on to your hats !!!!!
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Re: Video: Sheldrake denounces Randi in public speech

Postby The Professor » 01 Aug 2009, 10:48

ciscop wrote:by the way
i still dont see whats y our fascination with randi
the skeptic movement is not only 1 guy
have you seen the building of jref? is small !! have you seen the ¨isaac asimov¨ library? is just one room! i have more books in my house!
it is just a SMALL SKEPTIC ASSOCIATION, TAM only gets like 900 people coming to vegas!.. Is nothing! the jref is small potatoes
yet you feel challenged and overwhelm by them!.. by this small bump
you should know that the JREF, in no way represent the skeptic movement
they dont represent me for example.

yet is quite funny seeing you koening and callahan trying to destroy it with your rants and stupidity
so far is just rants on internet forums.. i hope they go and do it for real
no veracity, no honesty...
its difficult to trust in 2 failed magicians with so much hate


I see you are now distancing yourself from randi ... GOOD MOVE !!!!!
Others are following your lead :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Good Idea :idea:
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