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Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite: Turning the Tables on Them

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Re: Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite - Turing the Tables on

Postby Craig Browning » 30 Jul 2011, 02:17

I find that Shermer position odd in that Science as a whole, agrees that telepathy is the most likely of all the so-called psychic talents. Secondly, and this is coming from within the bio-tech industry, there is a tremendous amount of technology now and soon to be on the market that functions in EXACTLY the same manner most mystics have explained things for centuries (though terminologies may vary here and there). Quite simply, any thought is an electric impulse and thus, something physical and thus, when it actuates something else MUST manifest. . . unless the founding principle of physics is flawed in some way?

Today's medical science is exploiting this very truth, one of the oldest Hermetic teachings, by amplifying that minute electrical pulse in a way that allows it to control and manipulate both, prosthetic devices that are physically attached to a person as well as remotely (via transmission). We can step outside the medical world and find fames via which a ping pong ball is literally manipulated by way of the operator's will. . . in the Scandinavian region there is an Air Hockey styled game complete with major tournaments that were in use well before THE FORCE and such games, that force the competitors to clear their minds, relax and in that state, control the puck. . . they must go to the very same sort of calm state as Psychic students have been trained to do for eons.

Naysayers. . . those that can't/wont believe no matter what, refuse to see such in-your-face parallels and yet, they exist and there is more upon the horizon, including a very interesting PK type technology that's only recently started into the experimental side of things. . . just saw brief mention of it in a magazine this past week, probably People or New Week ???

Revealing the personality types of the big four or five headline chasing naysayers and setting them side-by-side with other "charismatic" cult-leaders so the public can see for themselves the greater portrait as to what's going on, is only fair. The Naysayers don't want this because its the same exact approach they take in order to discredit anyone that opposes or challenges their claims & "facts". Granted, exposing a person's short-comings can't be the only point of focus, but it is a very important part of the picture, at least to my mind in that it allows those that read said essay, to have a better rounded perspective. This is especially so in that (something that keeps getting left out here) I will be doing the same to key players within the Psychic/New Age environment; a leveled playing field as it were in which education status, professional standing, etc. are all taken into account along with the good & bad behavior of each. Let's face it, the JREF and Skeptical Enquirer both do more than their fair share of painting people in an ugly way; especially those that may have at one time supported their way of thinking but later publish findings the don't necessarily agree with the "game plan".

If and when my book is ever completed it will give this sort of contrast and it will confirm certain truths when it comes to psychic fraud, etc. while likewise revealing the things the critics refuse to accept as "Proof" and as such, strive to discredit the reports, comments, and studies that say other wise. I believe it's only fair to reveal their dirty tricks, double-talk antics and taunting games given they've had 30 some years going unchecked for the most part.

My goal is to help folks decide things for themselves, not to state in any authoritative way this is what things "must be" but rather, this is what things are because of this or that; this is why we don't see the trees of the forest, etc.
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Re: Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite - Turing the Tables on

Postby really? » 31 Jul 2011, 04:12

ProfWag wrote:Someone being an ass or having a short-temper has absolutely nothing, zero, zip, to do with their side of a debate as to whether the paranormal is a reality.

A fact that always seems to escape the awareness of those opposed to skepticism.
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Re: Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite - Turing the Tables on

Postby ProfWag » 31 Jul 2011, 15:52

Craig Browning wrote:I find that Shermer position odd in that Science as a whole, agrees that telepathy is the most likely of all the so-called psychic talents. Secondly, and this is coming from within the bio-tech industry, there is a tremendous amount of technology now and soon to be on the market that functions in EXACTLY the same manner most mystics have explained things for centuries (though terminologies may vary here and there). Quite simply, any thought is an electric impulse and thus, something physical and thus, when it actuates something else MUST manifest. . . unless the founding principle of physics is flawed in some way?

I'm assuming you're referring to Newton's Law, Craig? If so, that "electric impulse" you mention (also called "stimuli") is manifesting itself in something called thought/cognition, feelings, etc. Doesn't mean that "electric impulse" is manifesting itself outside of one's brain.
In any event, good luck on the book and please know I'm only giving my personal feelings what I would find interesting. You have every right to write whatever you want (as long as you're not breaking the slander laws, of course...)
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Re: Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite - Turing the Tables on

Postby Craig Browning » 31 Jul 2011, 23:55

Sorry, but what you are saying sounds a heck of a lot like how the cell phone companies figure out minutes. . . anything but 60 actual seconds :roll:
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Re: Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite - Turing the Tables on

Postby ProfWag » 01 Aug 2011, 00:12

Craig Browning wrote:Sorry, but what you are saying sounds a heck of a lot like how the cell phone companies figure out minutes. . . anything but 60 actual seconds :roll:

Ironically that's similar to what I was thinking about your lengthy post.
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Re: Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite - Turing the Tables on

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 03 Oct 2011, 06:26

NinjaPuppy wrote:
ProfWag wrote:For example, Shermer stated clearly that reading other people's minds has never been shown to be a possibility according to science. As such, he is debunking those that say it is possible. If one is going to debunk that debunker, I want to know why Shermer is wrong, and not how or why he belittles those that dare to question him.

Excellent example and excellent question.



Excellent and enjoyable thread, and I just noticed a second page after the end quoted above.

Shakespeare would happily give Ell's book a look, but my right brain is happy with Charles Fort and likes to think about these cases and questions. Ell, I suggest the title "Debunking the Decievers".

Craig's sounds even more interesting to me as an actor and a student of human relations and that most subtle of things, human psyches. I would suggest the title "Debunking the Extremists" as avoiding the doubling of negatives and a more accurate description of the contents and your intent, Craig, of reinforcing the midground.

Prof, if you find the book you said you wanted, Twain will race you to the bookstore. It sounds like it would put every part of my right brain asleep, except maybe the mathematician, unless it were beautifully written, but my left brain can still dig those works even without bothering with the math, unless it looks fudgy.

Again, enjoyable thread. Keep writing, Craig and Ell, and I'll keep reading this thread.
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Re: Randi The Deceiver And Hypocrite - Turing the Tables on

Postby craig weiler » 03 Oct 2011, 06:53

Craig Browning said:
Secondly, and this is coming from within the bio-tech industry, there is a tremendous amount of technology now and soon to be on the market that functions in EXACTLY the same manner most mystics have explained things for centuries (though terminologies may vary here and there). Quite simply, any thought is an electric impulse and thus, something physical and thus, when it actuates something else MUST manifest. . . unless the founding principle of physics is flawed in some way?


Not quite. There is an increasing amount of evidence accumulating that thought is electromagnetic in origin and that telepathy operates via entanglement. It is an important distinction because telepathy and entanglement both have the same features:
1. Instantaneous transfer of information. (This does not defy the speed of light because the information does not actually travel.)
2. No signal loss
3. ignores intervening objects and shielding.

There is new evidence that telepathy is affected by electromagnetic disturbances, such as sun spots and increases in effectiveness when the geomagnetic field is quiet.
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