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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby The Professor » 04 Aug 2009, 23:13

ciscop wrote:i do think jim is a intelligent guy (unlike you dave)
but he is in no way close to banachek
banachek is on a league on his own, he will go down as one of the best mentalists in history
banachek has more appearences in the world stage and more lectures than jimbo
lets not forget how much following those he have amongst magicians and mentalists
his book PS 1 is a treasure, this september comes PS3 and we all want to get it right?

what does jim do other than saying he recruits people after they die
and post good looking videos on his page? (i do believe his videos are great)
nothing.. jimbo is only known in the cafe
no contest

and please.. if you believe in this tape and hate so much randi
GO FOR HIM, start talking on the internet radio you go about this tape
go and destroy randi
(see how it isnt a cult?? let me see a scientologist saying this about ron hubbard)
If you believe you have evidence or proof.. GO FOR RANDI..
but no.. you just want to have your loony wacky rants
too bad you are dragging jimbo to your intellectual level


Just listen to the Tapes!!!!!

They say it all, no matter how you try to derail the thread.

VIRTUALLY EVERYONE WHOSE LISTENED TO THE TRUTH AGREES !!!!!

Where is randi's defense?

All I see is you guys running from the Truth.
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby ciscop » 04 Aug 2009, 23:44

all i can see is you running from randi
you couldnt provide a workable protocol
now you post this tapes here for what?
go and tell ont he radio about this tapes!!
accuse him for real of being a pedophile
go after the big guy you hate so much
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby Azrael » 05 Aug 2009, 00:17

ciscop wrote:all i can see is you running from randi
you couldnt provide a workable protocol
now you post this tapes here for what?
go and tell ont he radio about this tapes!!
accuse him for real of being a pedophile
go after the big guy you hate so much


Good post but nothing I haven't said before. IF Randi is a child abuser(although the men on the tapes are hardly children) then I wan't him brought down. I want proof! But as there is no evidence in 30 years I can't see it happening. Innocent until proven guilty.

You are wasting your time posting on this forum, as hardly anyone browses it,and all except you highflyertoo and Callahan like proof for wacko claims.

Serious question now Professor, why haven't you gone on radio,wrote it up on MYspace,YouTube etc. Because you are a coward. Quickest way to settle this Professor is publicly accuse Randi,then he will sue you it will go to court all the evidence will from both sides(although could be a quick case as you don't have any)will be presented and a financial verdict given.
Like this http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/curley2.htm

Just in case these mysterious "people" would like to be saved a trip, I'll tell them now that the "tape" is not one of "solicitation," but was prepared by me (and not as a wire-tap, as Mr. Curley has chosen to believe) to trap some bad guys. It worked, and the bad guys were identified, charged, and convicted.

I will bring along a COMPLETE file of the newspaper files alluded to (not from Rumson, which had no newspaper back then, but from Asbury Park) including the articles that supported my allegations against the Middletown police, and the record of the conviction of those who I trapped by means of the "tape."


He did what I am proposing you do. He died before it came to court,dunno if you can manage that. Seems Randi was fairly confident of winning and had EVIDENCE to back it up.
So no more ridiculous forum posts,because if you haven't got the balls to do anything about it ,you are pretty much redundant.
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby Azrael » 05 Aug 2009, 00:20

Maybe this http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/curley1.htm will make you think twice Dave.

This is a flagrant abuse of my rights, a pack of lies, a malicious and unwarranted attack by a person who believes I will not strike back. I will, and he is going to have the full weight of the law come down on him. I've treated him as an idiot up until now, simply because he appears to be deficient mentally


You weren't related to Curley were you,description matches.
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 00:26

Azrael wrote:Maybe this http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/curley1.htm will make you think twice Dave.

This is a flagrant abuse of my rights, a pack of lies, a malicious and unwarranted attack by a person who believes I will not strike back. I will, and he is going to have the full weight of the law come down on him. I've treated him as an idiot up until now, simply because he appears to be deficient mentally


You weren't related to Curley were you,description matches.


i thought that was like the forer effect
it matches perfectly to Dave Koenig
thats creepy!!
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby Steve Knight » 05 Aug 2009, 03:10

I've just found Randi's response to the charge that he sexually assaulted magician Ben Robinson. The response can be found athttp://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.paranormal/browse_thread/thread/1062c1104a265ab/1cb69654d2dbf940?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=byrd+randi+%22ben+robinson%22#1cb69654d2dbf940 - last post on the page. It reads:

"Personal E-mail dated 11-24-96:
Begin quote:
This just might be Ben Robinson, who through a "therapist" developed a fantasy that I'd attacked him. This is disproven by the many letters he sent me through the years, until at the age of 30-ish he was talked into this fantasy. I met Ben only once in my life, and that briefly at a magic shop. No such event ever took place.
End quote."

This at least clears up the question of whether such an allegation was ever made and might go some way towards explaining Randi's interest in False Memory Syndrome, though in truth his position is well in line with the general sceptical view of hypnosis as a tool for recovering memories. Ben Robinson seemingly wasn't alone in making such charges though, at least according to magician Craig Browning. See:http://www.themagicwoods.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2915 last post on page (link courtesy of Azrael). These claims are far more serious than any dis ingenuousness over the nature of the tape recordings of course.
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby Azrael » 05 Aug 2009, 03:28

Steve Knight.
Accordong to self proclaimed "psychic" Craig Browning. Who also states MDC is a con and hates Randi in general. Again he offers no proof, and is warned on that forum for approaching libel.

Why is it always psychics/believers that are accusing Randi of things? Hmm interesting. Surely there must be an impartial witness/interested persons without a grudge who has proof of Randi and illicit behaviour? I've not seen any proof Browning is psychic either.

Not ever seen any which is telling in itself.

Where is the evidence for Randi EVER propositioning anyone -aside from alledged ones on tape? Surely if the tapes are "true" then he must have done this since. Where are these victims? Read internet forums and people like Browning claim they know people who have been propositioned; yet they are never identified. Never made a complaint. Typical!
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 03:44

well
is the point of this thread to prove that james randi is gay?
like in some way it damages who he is and what he has done?

theres many gay magicians,
Siegfried and Roy, Eugene Burger, Derren Brown, Lee Earle, Hans Klok, Teller?
and now James Randi?
who knew and who cares
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby Ozz » 05 Aug 2009, 08:16

ciscop wrote:well
is the point of this thread to prove that james randi is gay?
like in some way it damages who he is and what he has done?

theres many gay magicians,
Siegfried and Roy, Eugene Burger, Derren Brown, Lee Earle, Hans Klok, Teller?
and now James Randi?
who knew and who cares


I knew, and have no issue with that. But in the bigoted, religious fundamentalist world of people like Dave, this is a problem. I know Derren Brown has "come out", but I am unsure about Teller and the other gentlemen mentioned. However it is perhaps a strange coincidence that Dave has attacked Derren Brown and Teller in the past. Perhaps the real truth behind this is that Dave is a homophobe, hence his constant attempt at bringing down the people I've listed? Thoughts?
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 09:02

Teller i am not sure he is...
i think it was me playing the clichés
i remember him saying what he likes the most is : going shopping with penn´s wife (GAY)
and that he has directed some theatre plays (EXTREMELY GAY) (hahahaha)
but who cares
he is talented and funny, i just care if he makes me think, laught and wonder. i do admire him
he is a great magician and a true entertainer (unlike homophobic dave)
so dave
was it just that?
james randi is gay! wow !! holy mother! who cares!?!?!?
at 80 years old still is a better entertainer than you will ever be
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 09:10

Homophobe? Dave Koenig ...Balderdash !!!! ... Ask anyone who knows me. My last band manager was gay (Hired by me). My drummer is a lesbian (Hired by me also). My last Blues Brothers manager at Universal was gay and I believe also my new MA (Not that it's my business) ... Just ask my friends .. It's not a problem. never has been.

However .. Here in Florida there are many pedophiles who are abducting children at an alarming rate.

Please show mw proof that these calls were made to kids who were not underage (prove their age, the state they lived in, and the state randi was calling them from)

The Tapes Are Real Proof!!!!

Where's yours?
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 09:37

i was hoping you were going to type
¨my paranormalist bestfriend is gay¨
that would have been funny
but no..
i know you arent gay jim! it was just a joke

back to the topic
you are the one that put those links here.. i think we have exhausted the topic :-(

i think is time for you to share those photos of randi hanging out on a gay cruise
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 10:19

This is Totally My Fault .. I've let the Pseudo-Skeptics divert my energy from these disgusting tapes.

NO MORE DERAILING!!!!

I'm organizing a scientific way to go over the tapes in one minute segments to analyze the tapes and the evidence that they provide.

I had hoped that randi' or his Pseudo-Skeptics would have provided randi's explanations or excuses for the recordings, but it appears that they have all been removed from public view. (Strange) And no one will go on record with randi's defense ... again ..Why?

So I will proceed as any honest investigator would! (remember what happened to randi's credibility when these were played in court before)

We will begin with the analysis right away.

Does anyone here have a better way of examining the evidence? (Please comment and we will look into it)

I WANT THIS TO BE TOTALLY FAIR AND HONEST.

I will put away all bias at this point and stick to the TAPES!

I will apologize if I've been wrong in the past ...

HERE WE GO !!!!!!!
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 11:59

The Professor wrote:I believe that everyone should have the information needed to make an informed decision on what actually happened.

I myself have come to the conclusion that there was no Blackmail and that the word was used to Spin the Truth. (No court case has ever proven any Blackmail)

Someone posted these tapes on the net.

When played in court the Judge made the Jurors wear headphones! (That Bad)

These tapes are not for the faint of heart and should not be listened to by non-adults!!!!! Rated XXX

However, I'm glad that the HOAX is out.

I appreciate whoever posted these so we can all make up our own minds without outside interference.

http://www.uploadpedia.com/3015K1KO9LHD ... i-zip.html

I would like to hear any explanations that anyone would like to offer after examining the truth.


Are we ready to begin?
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Re: JREF Blackmail Tapes

Postby Ozz » 05 Aug 2009, 12:43

The Professor wrote:Are we ready to begin?


But you haven't proved that you're not a homophobe yet. Your religious beliefs, and your hatred of Randi indicate that this may well be the case.
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