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No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby highflyertoo » 16 Mar 2010, 11:00

It seems apparent as to why so many of James Randi's disciples are constantly ''spitting venom'' at thinkers and or believers in the paranormal...... and here's the proof in JREF's own introduction to the newbies from the Moderator called Darat......

Welcome to the JREF Forum

The Forum was opened in August 2001 for people to "Be part of the JREF web community by engaging in intelligent discussions with both skeptics and non-skeptics from around the globe".
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So unless you agree with JREF's belief,then you are labeled as a KOOK which means ''non-skeptic''.

So this surely explains why Azrael and Co vent their hostility to believers,because they fear being tagged as a nut case. As only believers must be whacko according to the JREF Moderator Team under the Dictatorship of Randi.

So in reality there is no such thing as a non-skeptic because we all use critical thinking,yet the JREF actually disagree's in it's welcoming letter.


Here's the email letter that JREF members recieve in their inbox

Welcome to JREF Forum

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Welcome to the JREF Forum

The Forum was opened in August 2001 for people to "Be part of the JREF web community by engaging in intelligent discussions with both skeptics and non-skeptics from around the globe".

The James Randi Educational Foundation is a not-for-profit organization founded in 1996. Its aim is to promote critical thinking by reaching out to the public and media with reliable information about the paranormal and supernatural ideas that are so widespread in our society today.

The Forum has helped foster a community of people that share the goals of the JREF by providing a venue for discussions about a wide range of topics, but always encouraging Forum Members to use the tools of skepticism and critical thinking that James Randi and the JREF have been championing for many years.

You will find many discussions that are very serious and intense, but you'll also find many that are frivolous and fun. What unites them all is a shared passion to get to the facts and let the evidence guide our conclusions -- in other words, facing the world as it is, and not as we would like it to be. But that doesn't mean that everyone agrees with one another; what it means is that you will be challenged to support your opinions and expected to challenge those of other Members. There are no sacred cows on the JREF Forum, but there are plenty of discussions about sacred cows.

The Forum…

As a Member you'll now have full access to all the "Members Only" sections of the Forum. We should advise you that a very small minority of posts in the "Members Only" sections may be of a more adult nature than in the rest of the Forum and the rules regarding what is appropriate behavior or content are less restrictive. If you decide you do not want to participate in those sections and do not want access to them please send me (Darat) a PM and I will alter your account.

You probably read the Forum, or at least one or two threads, before you became a member, so hopefully you noticed that we have arranged the Forum into a series of sections, each dedicated to a particular subject or subjects. It takes most new Members a little while to become familiar with the structure, so don't worry too much if you start a thread in the wrong section. The worst that will happen is that a member of the "Moderating Team" will move it to a more appropriate section.

The Moderating Team (usually referred to as "the Mods" by old timers) is a small group of volunteer Members that dedicate some of their time to helping manage Forum activity. They are available to assist Members in various tasks, such as moving threads and answering questions about the Forum.

The Mods also have a responsibility to the JREF to see that Members abide by the Membership Agreement you agreed to when applying for membership. But please remember that, unless posting in an "official" capacity, members of the Mod team are just regular Members of the Forum. Also, the Mods do not represent the JREF itself. (A list of the Mods can be found at the bottom of each forum section page, and they have an additional title under their user-name - either Moderator or Administrator.)

As a "New Member" (meaning you've made less then 50 posts) there are a few restrictions on your account. The most irksome to new Members is not being able to make a post that includes a URL (a link to a another website) until you've made at least 15 posts. Unfortunately, we have had to put this in place because people try to spam the Forum with commercial advertisements and links such as "click here for a free iPod".

If you have used other forums you should have no trouble finding your way around the JREF Forum. If this is the first forum you've used there is a general introduction to using the Forum in this section: General Forum Usage. We also have an extensive frequently asked questions (FAQ) section (http://forums.randi.org/faq.php), there you'll find a series of "How to…" tutorials that cover some of the unique and non-standard features of the JREF Forum. There is also a short visual guide "Guide to a Post" that explains what all the icons and buttons in a post do.

You may notice at the bottom of each post a button that says "Nominate". The "Nominate" button is linked to "The Language Award", which is run by the community and awarded every month to the member who wins the most votes for a well written post. (See this thread for more details: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76070)

As a new Member you may at first feel a bit intimidated. However, everyone posting here was a new member at one time. We've all been through this stage and survived, so don't worry.

There are a few Forum conventions that have evolved over time, and following them can help you when you first start to post. These are not rules, and there is no penalty for not following them, but it is beneficial to be aware of them:
ETA – Stands for "Edited To Add". If you edited one of your post to make an addition, use this to indicate the addition.
Quoting another member – make sure it is clear what and who you are quoting. Using the built in "Quote" button to automatically start a new reply with the member's post you wish to quote is the easiest way to do this, or you can simply surround the words you wish to quote with the quote tag (See: http://forums.randi.org/misc.php?do=bbcode#quote for an example)
NSFW - Stands for "Not Suitable For Work". Members usually place this into a post or a thread title that they think could cause problems for other people browsing the Forum from work (for instance if a link leads to a site that plays a loud sound).
OP - Stands for "Opening Post", you'll often read a post that says something like "In the OP it stated that..." and now you know what that means.
(For more information to help new Members see "New Members - Hints & Tips")

This all may seem a lot to take in, but remember the immortal words: "DON'T PANIC".

Seriously, although some Members can come across as quite abrasive to new Members, most of us will try to help you get settled in a cordial manner. We want you to enjoy posting here!

And speaking of enjoyment, just a few final words: Remember that the other Members posting are like you, real people with real feelings. It can be quite easy to forget that when we are communicating via impersonal words on a screen.

Look forward to seeing you around.



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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby ciscop » 16 Mar 2010, 11:23

a guy that fight statues, believes that a fairy tale book is for real and has been interned in a psychiatric institution
can easily qualify as a nut case and whacko right?
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby highflyertoo » 16 Mar 2010, 11:39

ciscop wrote:a guy that fight statues, believes that a fairy tale book is for real and has been interned in a psychiatric institution
can easily qualify as a nut case and whacko right?


So what are JREF meaning when they say ''non-skeptic''
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby ciscop » 16 Mar 2010, 13:07

highflyertoo wrote:So what are JREF meaning when they say ''non-skeptic''
'


that's something dark and mysterious
that kind of knowledge is only reserved for those of us that reach the 7ven level of skepticism
(same level when we learn we come from xenu and tom cruise's movies are awesome)
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby Nostradamus » 17 Mar 2010, 09:04

I took a look at the invite and did not see non-skeptic mentioned. I did not see kook mentioned. Nor did I see any bold text.

I did see something about non-members. I did see the term member being used.

I don't see where this thread started.
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby ProfWag » 17 Mar 2010, 09:33

Many, many people don't know how to apply critical thinking to a subject. That doesn't always make them bad people.
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby really? » 17 Mar 2010, 21:22

highflyertoo wrote:It seems apparent as to why so many of James Randi's disciples are constantly ''spitting venom'' at thinkers and or believers in the paranormal...... and here's the proof in JREF's own introduction to the newbies from the Moderator called Darat......

Welcome to the JREF Forum

The Forum was opened in August 2001 for people to "Be part of the JREF web community by engaging in intelligent discussions with both skeptics and non-skeptics from around the globe".
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So unless you agree with JREF's belief,then you are labeled as a KOOK which means ''non-skeptic''.

So this surely explains why Azrael and Co vent their hostility to believers,because they fear being tagged as a nut case. As only believers must be whacko according to the JREF Moderator Team under the Dictatorship of Randi.

So in reality there is no such thing as a non-skeptic because we all use critical thinking,yet the JREF actually disagree's in it's welcoming letter.


An allegation. You must provide a link so we can read for ourselves. Here's what I found.

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The James Randi Educational Foundation is a not-for-profit organization founded in 1996. Its aim is to promote critical thinking by reaching out to the public and media with reliable information about paranormal and supernatural ideas so widespread in our society today. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/press-center.html

according to the JREF Moderator Team under the Dictatorship of Randi.

It's fairly freewheeling there.
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby Nostradamus » 17 Mar 2010, 22:34

That's what I saw as well. I was wondering where the original allegations came from, too.
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby highflyertoo » 18 Mar 2010, 11:53

Nostradamus wrote:That's what I saw as well. I was wondering where the original allegations came from, too.


They send you a letter (a letter WELCOMING you to the forum board to make comments) when you first become a member in your ''INBOX''........

I supplied you people with part of the introduction ;)
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby highflyertoo » 18 Mar 2010, 12:00

Welcome to JREF Forum

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Welcome to the JREF Forum

The Forum was opened in August 2001 for people to "Be part of the JREF web community by engaging in intelligent discussions with both skeptics and non-skeptics from around the globe".

The James Randi Educational Foundation is a not-for-profit organization founded in 1996. Its aim is to promote critical thinking by reaching out to the public and media with reliable information about the paranormal and supernatural ideas that are so widespread in our society today.

The Forum has helped foster a community of people that share the goals of the JREF by providing a venue for discussions about a wide range of topics, but always encouraging Forum Members to use the tools of skepticism and critical thinking that James Randi and the JREF have been championing for many years.

You will find many discussions that are very serious and intense, but you'll also find many that are frivolous and fun. What unites them all is a shared passion to get to the facts and let the evidence guide our conclusions -- in other words, facing the world as it is, and not as we would like it to be. But that doesn't mean that everyone agrees with one another; what it means is that you will be challenged to support your opinions and expected to challenge those of other Members. There are no sacred cows on the JREF Forum, but there are plenty of discussions about sacred cows.

The Forum…

As a Member you'll now have full access to all the "Members Only" sections of the Forum. We should advise you that a very small minority of posts in the "Members Only" sections may be of a more adult nature than in the rest of the Forum and the rules regarding what is appropriate behavior or content are less restrictive. If you decide you do not want to participate in those sections and do not want access to them please send me (Darat) a PM and I will alter your account.

You probably read the Forum, or at least one or two threads, before you became a member, so hopefully you noticed that we have arranged the Forum into a series of sections, each dedicated to a particular subject or subjects. It takes most new Members a little while to become familiar with the structure, so don't worry too much if you start a thread in the wrong section. The worst that will happen is that a member of the "Moderating Team" will move it to a more appropriate section.

The Moderating Team (usually referred to as "the Mods" by old timers) is a small group of volunteer Members that dedicate some of their time to helping manage Forum activity. They are available to assist Members in various tasks, such as moving threads and answering questions about the Forum.

The Mods also have a responsibility to the JREF to see that Members abide by the Membership Agreement you agreed to when applying for membership. But please remember that, unless posting in an "official" capacity, members of the Mod team are just regular Members of the Forum. Also, the Mods do not represent the JREF itself. (A list of the Mods can be found at the bottom of each forum section page, and they have an additional title under their user-name - either Moderator or Administrator.)

As a "New Member" (meaning you've made less then 50 posts) there are a few restrictions on your account. The most irksome to new Members is not being able to make a post that includes a URL (a link to a another website) until you've made at least 15 posts. Unfortunately, we have had to put this in place because people try to spam the Forum with commercial advertisements and links such as "click here for a free iPod".

If you have used other forums you should have no trouble finding your way around the JREF Forum. If this is the first forum you've used there is a general introduction to using the Forum in this section: General Forum Usage. We also have an extensive frequently asked questions (FAQ) section (http://forums.randi.org/faq.php), there you'll find a series of "How to…" tutorials that cover some of the unique and non-standard features of the JREF Forum. There is also a short visual guide "Guide to a Post" that explains what all the icons and buttons in a post do.

You may notice at the bottom of each post a button that says "Nominate". The "Nominate" button is linked to "The Language Award", which is run by the community and awarded every month to the member who wins the most votes for a well written post. (See this thread for more details: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76070)

As a new Member you may at first feel a bit intimidated. However, everyone posting here was a new member at one time. We've all been through this stage and survived, so don't worry.

There are a few Forum conventions that have evolved over time, and following them can help you when you first start to post. These are not rules, and there is no penalty for not following them, but it is beneficial to be aware of them:
ETA – Stands for "Edited To Add". If you edited one of your post to make an addition, use this to indicate the addition.
Quoting another member – make sure it is clear what and who you are quoting. Using the built in "Quote" button to automatically start a new reply with the member's post you wish to quote is the easiest way to do this, or you can simply surround the words you wish to quote with the quote tag (See: http://forums.randi.org/misc.php?do=bbcode#quote for an example)
NSFW - Stands for "Not Suitable For Work". Members usually place this into a post or a thread title that they think could cause problems for other people browsing the Forum from work (for instance if a link leads to a site that plays a loud sound).
OP - Stands for "Opening Post", you'll often read a post that says something like "In the OP it stated that..." and now you know what that means.
(For more information to help new Members see "New Members - Hints & Tips")

This all may seem a lot to take in, but remember the immortal words: "DON'T PANIC".

Seriously, although some Members can come across as quite abrasive to new Members, most of us will try to help you get settled in a cordial manner. We want you to enjoy posting here!

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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby highflyertoo » 18 Mar 2010, 12:08

JREF prints the term Non-Skeptic



what's a non-skeptic?
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby Nostradamus » 18 Mar 2010, 12:30

They send you a letter (a letter WELCOMING you to the forum board to make comments) when you first become a member in your ''INBOX''........

I supplied you people with part of the introduction ;)


I asked where you got this notion. I went to the website and saw that the introduction is NOT what you posted in this thread. So now you claim that you supplied something. It used phrases that are NOT on the website.

Out of curiosity why do you use the term "you people"?

I also noticed that you mentioned the work kook. I still don't see that term used in why you posted here and what you sent to me in private message. I also do not understand why you sent me a PM.
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby ciscop » 18 Mar 2010, 15:49

i know why
he is an australian kook

and i dont mean the funny kind of australian kook that fight crocodiles at night
i mean the kind of australian kooks that believe every word of the bible and cant think for themselves...
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby highflyertoo » 18 Mar 2010, 16:25

Nostradamus wrote:
They send you a letter (a letter WELCOMING you to the forum board to make comments) when you first become a member in your ''INBOX''........

I supplied you people with part of the introduction ;)


I asked where you got this notion. I went to the website and saw that the introduction is NOT what you posted in this thread. So now you claim that you supplied something. It used phrases that are NOT on the website.

Out of curiosity why do you use the term "you people"?

I also noticed that you mentioned the work kook. I still don't see that term used in why you posted here and what you sent to me in private message. I also do not understand why you sent me a PM.


The term non-skeptic is used in the letter that Darat the moderator sends to people who have become JREF members ... can you understand this ?

If you were to apply to become a member at JREF then you will ''receive'' a Private Message in your inbox, THE SAME AS I SENT YOU TODAY....... Do you understand this ?......

If you become a member at JREF then you will receive a WELCOMING EMAIL IN YOUR INBOX STATING ABOUT ''Skeptics and Non-Skeptics'', but you must be an approved member before receiving the email from JREF's moderator called Darat........ can you understand this ?
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Re: No such thing as a Non Skeptic...JREF says different

Postby NinjaPuppy » 18 Mar 2010, 18:58

highflyertoo wrote:The term non-skeptic is used in the letter that Darat the moderator sends to people who have become JREF members ... can you understand this ?

If you were to apply to become a member at JREF then you will ''receive'' a Private Message in your inbox, THE SAME AS I SENT YOU TODAY....... Do you understand this ?......

If you become a member at JREF then you will receive a WELCOMING EMAIL IN YOUR INBOX STATING ABOUT ''Skeptics and Non-Skeptics'', but you must be an approved member before receiving the email from JREF's moderator called Darat........ can you understand this ?

HF2 - This is NOT the JREF forum. Can you understand THAT? How another forum operates has nothing to do with this forum. Naturally, from time to time members bring over interesting comments but mostly there are only two members here that keep bringing them up. Who gives a rats patootie about their fourm protocol? It does not apply here.
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