Vaccines and Autism

[ProfWag]

Does anyone have any thoughts on this article?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599195765600

[NinjaPuppy]

Wow! I never get any money for donating blood. Talk about the ultimate party favor!

Actually, the MMR shot was exactly the begining of my daughter's problems. There is/was no link to that vaccination and autism but as a mom, I did suspect some sort of relationship between the two.

[ciscop]

not only he was carrying out unethical stuff on children but he was also WRONG on his findings
what an idiot

i hope they revoke his licence
and that oprah stop having jenny mccarthy on her show
giving her exposure to this madness

[ProfWag]

I think I can understand Ninja's opinion based on her experiments. My experience is nothing more than what I read and from what I gather, it's a shame that if those vaccines are truly not the cause of autism and other illnesses, then some children may have gotten needlessly sick from not taking them. And, if that's so, then there must still be something out there that is the culprit and it needs to be found.

[NinjaPuppy]

Autism is one of those things that remains elusive. I eventually chalked it off as my daughter pulling genes from the low end of the gene pool since we could not find a definitive reason. Here's a list of possibles that were discussed in her early years:

1. MMR vacination
2. Exposure to chloridane (our first home had been improperly over treated by the owner and not a professional)
3. Food allergies (the strange thing is that what HF2 posted in another topic is very similar)
4. Quality medical care (she was one of those pregnancies that should have naturally aborted before term but the docs kept that from happening)
5. The DNA luck of the draw

I'm sure if I think more about this, I can come up with more theories that were thrown at me by different doctors, but these are the top five.

[ProfWag]

Can I ask how she's doing these days? Is she able to live on her own? (you don't have to answer or pm if you'd prefer...)

You never know with these kids nowadays. One day she's doing really well, the next day she makes some REALLY bad decisions. Life with her is truly like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get.

[Scepcop]

Freethinker George Jettison discusses vaccines and autism with some critical thinking. He concludes that the real disturbing purpose of vaccines is to CAUSE disease, not to prevent it.

[SydneyPSIder]

we had a big discussion on this on another thread recently...

[Arouet]

I really want to get back to that thread and delve into it! I've been so busy lately to do that kind of research would mean I'd have to stay up late! I hope to find some time though. It's a far more important topic than the moon landing!

[NinjaPuppy]

Me too! I've been away but now I'm back. Once I get a day or two to catch up, I should have some time to get into some research.

[NinjaPuppy]

I've decided to start with the last video (George Jettison discusses vaccines and autism) posted by SCEPCOP. He claims, "autism didn't used to exist". Hmmmm, I can't verify or disprove that statement but my friend who's son has autism and I have said before, we've had a similar conversation decades ago and we basically decided that the technology and diagnosis procedure has improved to where they can now break down problems by degrees and years ago and kids like ours were just "stupid" or "retarded". Some were even believed to be be deaf when there wasn't a darned thing wrong with their hearing.

This video is very hard to watch/listen to. This guy may be a freethinker but he's also confusing as all hell. I think I'll start with ProfWag's link instead.

[NinjaPuppy]

Crapf! The link from the OP is dead.

[SydneyPSIder]

I've decided to start with the last video (George Jettison discusses vaccines and autism) posted by SCEPCOP. He claims, "autism didn't used to exist". Hmmmm, I can't verify or disprove that statement but my friend who's son has autism and I have said before, we've had a similar conversation decades ago and we basically decided that the technology and diagnosis procedure has improved to where they can now break down problems by degrees and years ago and kids like ours were just "stupid" or "retarded". Some were even believed to be be deaf when there wasn't a darned thing wrong with their hearing.

This video is very hard to watch/listen to. This guy may be a freethinker but he's also confusing as all hell. I think I'll start with ProfWag's link instead.

They used to have various vaccinations back then as well, just not so many. Sure there may have been some 'diagnostic creep', but to get to the point where 1 in 70 boys are now diagnosed? Not to say that things like hypoxia at birth haven't always caused problems, and various congenital diseases that might be out there. There seems to be a big correlation with the timing of vax jabs and consequent symptoms like encephalitis. I think the medicos just thing it's so few relatively that no-one will notice and what does it matter anyway. The main thing is that you should never ever catch measles or mumps, your parents might have to look after you for a week.

[Arouet]

Measles is a highly contagious, viral infection that is most common among children. It is characterized by fever, cough, coryza, conjunctivitis, enanthem (Koplik's spots) on the buccal or labial mucosa, and a maculopapular rash that spreads cephalocaudally. Diagnosis is usually clinical. Treatment is supportive. Vaccination is highly effective.

Worldwide, measles infects about 20 million people causing about 200,000 deaths annually,

http://www.merckmanuals.com/professiona ... =&sc=&alt=

[SydneyPSIder]

Measles is a highly contagious, viral infection that is most common among children. It is characterized by fever, cough, coryza, conjunctivitis, enanthem (Koplik's spots) on the buccal or labial mucosa, and a maculopapular rash that spreads cephalocaudally. Diagnosis is usually clinical. Treatment is supportive. Vaccination is highly effective.

Worldwide, measles infects about 20 million people causing about 200,000 deaths annually,

http://www.merckmanuals.com/professiona ... =&sc=&alt=

Yeah, I know. Death rates are extremely low in 1st world countries however. You are distorting the result by including countries with poor sanitation and nutrition -- perhaps we could be working to get world living conditions improved by cleaning up water and sewerage. And the mortality rate and number of cases of encephalitis and consequent cases of ASD from the measles vax is actually MUCH HIGHER than catching the wild disease itself once you take into account the soaring ASD and encephalitis rates post-vaccination. In other words, the symptom of encephalitis that vax adherents are most 'concerned' about as a health risk is actually worse with the jab than without.

"Treatment is supportive."
Agreed. That's what everyone used to do.

"Vaccination is highly effective."
It may head off the disease, but the ARs are being suppressed and relabelled as a 'coincidence' to stop people from realising that they are actually collectively worse off with the vax than having the disease itself. Funny that bloody Merck claim their own vax is highly effective, innit! Further, the vaxes don't always take, kids can get measles even when vaccinated, and there are risks of so-called 'bad batches' harming kids en masse even more than the 'good batches' that only maim and kill a small number.

We've had this discussion already on the other thread, in case you've forgotten, so you should probably just link to that thread.