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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 09 Dec 2009, 01:33

I might add that the research in Duesberg's work is not establishment thinking and it is not anti-establishment thinking. It is the way science is conducted.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby NinjaPuppy » 09 Dec 2009, 01:51

Nostradamus wrote:I might add that the research in Duesberg's work is not establishment thinking and it is not anti-establishment thinking. It is the way science is conducted.

Exactly! Otherwise they don't get the government grants. :lol:
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 18 Dec 2009, 15:23

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but there was another interesting documentary challenging the official HIV/AIDS hypothesis by Gary Null called "Deconstructing the AIDS Myth" which features some credible experts and viriologists including Peter Duesberg and others. You can watch it for free on Google Video at this link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ll&view=3#

The film makes some valid points, such as the fact that AIDS has not spread like an epidemic beyond the risk groups as it was predicted to. But I can tell that some of the points it makes are little things blown out of proportion as well.

What doesn't add up about this alternative view of HIV/AIDS is their contention that the many people who died of AIDS all died from the AZT drug. I wasn't sure if that was their claim, but it seemed to be. If millions were dying from a drug rather than AIDS itself, you'd think that common doctors would have figured that out long ago. So it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby ProfWag » 18 Dec 2009, 23:38

Scepcop wrote:I don't know if any of you have seen this, but there was another interesting documentary challenging the official HIV/AIDS hypothesis by Gary Null called "Deconstructing the AIDS Myth" which features some credible experts and viriologists including Peter Duesberg and others. You can watch it for free on Google Video at this link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ll&view=3#

The film makes some valid points, such as the fact that AIDS has not spread like an epidemic beyond the risk groups as it was predicted to. But I can tell that some of the points it makes are little things blown out of proportion as well.

What doesn't add up about this alternative view of HIV/AIDS is their contention that the many people who died of AIDS all died from the AZT drug. I wasn't sure if that was their claim, but it seemed to be. If millions were dying from a drug rather than AIDS itself, you'd think that common doctors would have figured that out long ago. So it doesn't make a lot of sense.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. Wow, check that out! We agree on something! ;-)
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 20 Dec 2009, 06:20

The claim that the cure kills is sometimes true. People used to take mercury based drugs that killed parasites and germs without killing the patient. Then again people had long term heavy metal problems.

There are plenty of weird disease claims. AIDS has been claimed to be a human created virus, due to eating Nile perch, and hidden inside of prophylactics to kill non-whites (African claim).

In addition to HIV there are diseases in other animals as well including FIV in cats, and SIV in apes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feline_immunodeficiency_virus
http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/fiv.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_immunodeficiency_virus

Are these diseases government created, hidden inside cat rubbers, or acquired from eating fish?
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 08 Nov 2011, 04:54

I don't understand something. If drugs cause AIDS, then how come there are victims of AIDS who haven't taken the drugs? What is the AIDS denialists' explanation of that?
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 08 Nov 2011, 04:56

Skeptics, how do you explain this?

Dr Robert Willner Injects "HIV" into himself on TV

Dr. Willner is author of Deadly Deception: The Proof that Sex and 'HIV' Absolutely Do Not Cause 'AIDS'. So determined was Dr. Willner to prove to the world that 'AIDS' was not spread sexually or through blood contamination, that he stunned the nation of Spain in 1993 by inoculating himself on TV with the blood of Pedro Tocino, a haemophiliac said to be 'HIV positive'. The footage was broadcast throughout Europe. Encouraged by the coverage he was receiving, Willner repeated his performance with different patients in front of the cameras of ABC and NBC. Surprisingly no US network reported this dramatic news on national television. Up until his untimely death, Dr. Willner remained 'HIV negative' in spite of constant testing.

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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 08 Nov 2011, 04:58

House of Numbers, Full Documentary

In House of Numbers: Anatomy of an Epidemic, an AIDS film like no other, the HIV/AIDS story is being rewritten. This is the first film to present the uncensored POVs of virtually all the major players; in their own settings, in their own words. It rocks the foundation upon which all conventional wisdom
regarding HIV/AIDS is based. House of Numbers could well be the opening volley in a battle to bring sanity and clarity to an epidemic gone awry.



House of Numbers Website
http://www.houseofnumbers.com

Purchase the DVD here
http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site/buy-the-dvd
Be sure to checkout the Deluxe Edition with two additional DVDs.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 08 Nov 2011, 05:14

HIV=AIDS: Fact or Fraud? A Stephen Allen film.

A shocking documentary that exposes
HIV/AIDS as a deceptive and deadly scam

This is a systematic dissection of the HIV/AID$ machine and how they hijacked a program designed to fight a worldwide plight of human suffering and drove it down the road to hell. Yet this program offers hope, inspired by the courage and articulate arguments of a group of growing voices internationally challenging the HIV=AIDS=DEATH hysteria. A MUST SEE for anyone interested in truly understanding the facts about HIV/AID$.

http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/producer.htm



The Other Side of AIDS

Winner of the Special Jury Prize at the AFI Los Angeles International Film Festival, THE OTHER SIDE OF AIDS gives voice to a growing global movement of doctors, scientists, journalists and HIV positives who are challenging the idea that HIV is the cause of AIDS. Scovill's third feature film, THE OTHER SIDE OF AIDS takes an unflinching look beyond the hype and the headlines and into an issue the mainstream media doesn't dare touch: the failure of the multi billion-dollar war on AIDS.

http://www.robinscovill.com/othersideofaids.html



AIDS Inc. A Gary Null Film

AIDS, Inc. is a film about the multi-billion dollar AIDS industry, and how it profits from continuing fears and misconceptions about the disease. While AIDS grabs the headlines and raises billions of dollars with celebrity endorsements and billionaire endowments, we are no closer to finding a cure than when the scourge first appeared 30 years ago. Could it be that after so many years of research, and so much money being spent, that the entire orthodox medical establishment has been wrong about AIDS, or even worse, has sought to profit on a system that it knew was flawed from the beginning?



Deconstructing The Myth Of AIDS Gary Null



The Aids Myth and Deception, The Real Disease is Malnutrition and Drugs

Are New Drug Treatments Responsible for Declines in AIDS?

Government officials, AIDS organizations and the media unanimously agree that the recent decline in AIDS cases and deaths is an unprecedented occurrence due to a new combination of drugs that include protease inhibitors, chemicals said to block the replication of HIV. However, a careful look behind the headlines reveals that there is no medical evidence to support these popular claims about the protease inhibitor "combo cocktails.
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The declines in AIDS deaths attributed to combination therapies actually began several years before protease inhibitor drugs became available for general use. (72) Since the first protease inhibitor received Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval in December of 1995, a more likely explanation for decreased deaths would be the change in the official AIDS definition adopted in 1993 which allows HIV positives with no symptoms or illness to be diagnosed with AIDS. Since 1993, more than half of all newly diagnosed AIDS cases are counted among people who are not sick.
(73)
CDC data also show that decreases in AIDS cases commonly ascribed to "AIDS cocktails" preceded the introduction of the new drug treatments by three full years. According to the CDC's HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, AIDS diagnoses peaked in the third quarter of 1991, increased once in the first quarter of 1993 as a result of the 1993 expanded AIDS definition, and have dropped each year since.
(75)
News stories of AIDS patients who rise from their death beds to run marathons after taking the drug cocktails, are just that -- stories. In science, such unverified accounts are dismissed as anecdotal, a term that comes from the Greek word anekdotos, meaning unpublished.
None of the anecdotal tales of recoveries attributed to new drug combinations have been substantiated by controlled studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals, a fact acknowledged in the fine print of pharmaceutical advertisements:
"At this time there is no evidence that Ziagen will help you live longer or have fewer of the medical problems associated with HIV or AIDS.
"
"It is not yet known whether Crixivan will extend your life or reduce your chances of getting other illnesses associated with HIV.
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"At present, there are no results from controlled clinical trials evaluating the effects of Viramune [on] the incidence of opportunistic infections or survival.
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"There have been no clinical trials conducted with Combivir.

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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Arouet » 08 Nov 2011, 05:28

Scepcop: any peer reviewed medical journal articles in any of those films?
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby ProfWag » 08 Nov 2011, 19:21

Scepcop wrote:Skeptics, how do you explain this?

Dr Robert Willner Injects "HIV" into himself on TV

Dr. Willner is author of Deadly Deception: The Proof that Sex and 'HIV' Absolutely Do Not Cause 'AIDS'. So determined was Dr. Willner to prove to the world that 'AIDS' was not spread sexually or through blood contamination, that he stunned the nation of Spain in 1993 by inoculating himself on TV with the blood of Pedro Tocino, a haemophiliac said to be 'HIV positive'. The footage was broadcast throughout Europe. Encouraged by the coverage he was receiving, Willner repeated his performance with different patients in front of the cameras of ABC and NBC. Surprisingly no US network reported this dramatic news on national television. Up until his untimely death, Dr. Willner remained 'HIV negative' in spite of constant testing.


Scepcop, did this happen before or after Dr. Willner's medical license was suspended? ;-)
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 09 Nov 2011, 16:59

I don't understand something. Do people only die of AIDS if they are taking AZT? Has anyone who has never taken AZT and don't even know that they have AIDS, ever died from it? These films don't answer that question, which is at the crux of the issue.

Are there any documented cases of people with AIDS being cured? What about Magic Johnson and boxer Tommy Morrison?

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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby ProfWag » 09 Nov 2011, 21:41

Scepcop wrote:Are there any documented cases of people with AIDS being cured? What about Magic Johnson and boxer Tommy Morrison?


Why don't you look that up Scepcop? It's pretty easy to use google. I can teach you if you need help. In that little box towards the top of your screen--you know, the one that usually says "youtube.com," type in "google.com." After that, in type in the box "has anyone ever been cured from AIDS." Tell us what you find!
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Re: Documentaries that challenge the HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 09 Nov 2011, 22:52

The Emperors New Virus? - An Analysis of the Evidence for the Existence of HIV (Documentary)

"The Emperor's New Virus?" is a supplementary follow-up to the award winning documentary, House of Numbers. It takes an in-depth look at the scientific evidence surrounding the existence of HIV.

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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 09 Nov 2011, 22:54

ProfWag wrote:
Scepcop wrote:Are there any documented cases of people with AIDS being cured? What about Magic Johnson and boxer Tommy Morrison?


Why don't you look that up Scepcop? It's pretty easy to use google. I can teach you if you need help. In that little box towards the top of your screen--you know, the one that usually says "youtube.com," type in "google.com." After that, in type in the box "has anyone ever been cured from AIDS." Tell us what you find!


I would probably find differing information and answers to that question.

Tell me, do you think that official sources are always unbiased and objective? If not, why do you consider them to be infallible? Why do you treat them like saints who never lie?
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