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Postby Scepcop » 04 Dec 2009, 07:55

http://www.naturalnews.com/027355_AIDS_HIV_disease.html

Breakthrough documentary "House of Numbers" challenges conventional thinking on HIV, AIDS

(NaturalNews) Canadian filmmaker Brent Leung isn't winning any friends in the pharmaceutical industry these days. His breakthrough documentary "House of Numbers" features jaw-dropping interviews with doctors, researchers and even the co-discoverer of HIV himself (Luc Montagnier), all of whom reveal startling information calling into question the "official" explanation ofHIV and AIDS.

An exclusive trailer from House of Numbers is now available on YouTube:



More information about the film is available at http://www.HouseOfNumbers.com

The film isn't publicly available yet, as it's been screened in film festivals around the world. Check the available screening events atthe film's website: http://www.HouseOfNumbers.com

Because of the game-changing statements heard from numerous health authorities in this film, it threatens the very foundations of the HIV / AIDS industry. Pharmaceutical companies are fronting a specific mythology about AIDS that maximizes their profits from AIDS drugs and (failed) vaccines, but that mythology is about to be dismantled when House ofNumbers is released in theaters nationwide over the next few months.

This could be the documentary that shatters Big Pharma's false paradigms about HIV and AIDS.

The AIDS testing hoax
In the film, Brent Leung subjects himself to an HIV test and discovers that a "diagnosis" of being HIV positive has more to do with the answers you provide to lifestyle questions than any specific microbe appearing in your blood. The diagnosis of AIDS -- as well as the very definition -- is also apparently so wishy-washy that increasingnumbers of well-trained scientists are now questioning whether AIDS exists at all.

"The presently available data does not prove the existence of HIV," says one health expert interviewed for the film. Another expert says, "The more diseases they could lump into these AIDS categories, the more patients they could catch."

"I think HIV totally has turned out not to be the cause of AIDS. HIV has turned out not to be!" says another interviewee.

"We can be exposed to HIV many times without being ... infected," says Dr Luc Montagnier, the Nobel prize-winning virologist credited with the co-discovery of HIV. "Our immune system creates [antibodies] within a few weeks, if you have a good immune system."

The documentary film exposes the sharp contradictions in current scientific opinion about HIV / AIDS. "As I started questioning scientists and delving further into testing protocols and statistical modeling and science, I began to see a lot of the contradictions that they had amongst themselves," said filmmaker Brent Leung. "One of the things that became apparent to me is how important it is to question everything that we're told and not automatically accept any fact as truth."

One bizarre thing the film exposes is the ever-shifting definition of "AIDS." In the United States, the official definition has been rewritten three times, and definitions vary widely around the world. AIDS isn't simply the presence of the HIV virus; it's a fictitious disease label that's attached to a list of symptoms that continues to expand as the drug companies attempt to ensnare yet more victims into the AIDS label trap.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 04 Dec 2009, 07:58

http://www.houseofnumbers.com/

SYNOPSIS:
In 'House of Numbers,' an AIDS film like no other, the HIV/AIDS story is being rewritten. This is the first film to present the uncensored POVs of virtually all the major players; in their own settings, in their own words. It rocks the foundation upon which all conventional wisdom regarding HIV/AIDS is based. 'House of Numbers' could well be the opening volley in a battle to bring sanity and clarity to an epidemic gone awry.

INTERVIEWEES IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE:
Mark Conlan, Dr. John P. Moore, Dr. Donald P. Francis, Dr. Hans R. Gelderblom, Eleni Papadopulos, MSc; Dr. Robert Gallo, Street Interview England, Street Interview Australia, Dr. Kary Mullis, Dr. James Chin, Dr. Peter H. Duesberg, Dr. Reinhard Kurth, Dr. Niel T. Constantine (voice over in testing), Dr. Harold Jaffe, Celia Farber, Neville Hodgkinson, and Dr. Luc Montagnier.

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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 04 Dec 2009, 08:01

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When Brent Leung started showcasing his groundbreaking new documentary film about AIDS, "House of Numbers" (www.HouseOfNumbers.com), he had no way to comprehend the wave of defamatory attacks that would be unleashed against him. Promoters of conventional AIDS theories (with all their vaccines and pharmaceuticals) have gone on a rampage against Leung, calling him an "AIDS denialist" -- with an obvious invocation of the similar-sounding "Holocaust denialist" phrase.

The implication, of course, is that if you deny any part of conventional AIDS theories, you're as bad as a Nazi war criminal. It's a curious comparison, especially given that the origins of the modern pharmaceutical industry are found precisely in the Nazi regime where pharmaceutical scientists routinely conducted medical experiments on Jewish prisoners. As a fascinating matter of historical fact, the Chairman of Bayer in the 1950's (yes, the same Bayer that makes Bayer Aspirin) was Dr. Fritz ter Meer, a convicted war criminal, who after committing crimes against humanity was sentenced to seven years in prison at the Nuremberg war trials.

The pharmaceutical industry operating today is largely a cabal of unindicted criminals who are guilty of crimes against humanity, and one of their favorite methods of multiplying their profits is to push a disease, then sell a vaccine they claim "treats" the disease. It's the same old scam, whether we're talking about cervical cancer, swine flu or even AIDS.

Getting back to Brent Leung and his film House of Numbers, when the AIDS-pharma promoters saw his film, they knew they had to attack the messenger and try to discredit him as quickly as possible. So they claimed Leung quoted the scientists in the film out of context, thereby distorting what they were saying. In particular, Leung was attacked for his interview with Dr. Luc Montagnier, the Nobel Prize-winning co-discoverer of the AIDS virus, who explained to Leung during the interview that AIDS can be overcome (cured) with nutrition, and that the vaccine approach is entirely overblown.

Such an idea, of course, spells financial doom for drug companies and their cohorts, all of whom profit from the oft-repeated myth that "AIDS has no cure" and that only drugs can treat AIDS. So the critics went after Leung for daring to include Montagnier's words in his documentary. One critic in particular, Jeanne Bergman from an "AIDS truth" website, claimed that Leung "sucker punched" Montagnier.

She also claimed Leung quoted Montagnier out of context and blamed him for asking "leading questions" by saying, "Montagnier does not spontaneously say in the film that a healthy diet will clear the virus. Leung asked leading questions and then presented a fragment of conversation out of context."

As you'll soon see, Jeanne Bergman has no clue what she's talking about. But that's actually par for the course when it comes to the AIDS industry.

The raw interview with Luc Montagnier - revealed!
To help provide clarity to this issue, NaturalNews spoke with House of Numbers filmmaker Brent Leung who agreed to provide us with exclusive, un-cut footage of the conversation with Luc Montagnier, complete with subtitles.

You can now view this exclusive, revealing footage on YouTube at:



NaturalNews transcribed this un-cut conversation and below, we've reprinted the words exchanged between Brent Leung and Dr. Luc Montagnier. Here, you'll see that, in fact, Brent Leung did not quote Montagnier out of context, and that Montagnier makes his position crystal clear on points such as how nutrition may help reverse an AIDS infection.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 04 Dec 2009, 11:23

From the wikipedia article on the film:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Numbers
The film's promotion of AIDS denialism rendered it controversial and "bitterly divisive".[4] A local Fox affiliate TV station described the film as poorly organized and unfocused, but presenting "a barrage of intriguing theories."[5] The New York Times was more critical, describing the film as "a weaselly support pamphlet for AIDS denialists", "willfully ignorant", and "a globe-trotting pseudo-investigation that should raise the hackles of anyone with even a glancing knowledge of the basic rules of reasoning."[2]
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 04 Dec 2009, 11:46

Also from the wikipedia article: my bolding

18 scientists interviewed in the film state that their answers to Leung's questions were selectively edited to convey a false sense that the scientific community disagrees on basic facts about HIV/AIDS.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 04 Dec 2009, 11:50

If you want to find out what rubbish is being posted here go to:

http://www.houseofnumbers.org/

That's http://www.houseofnumbers.org/

It's time to get educated and avoid the nonsense and ridiculous rubbish.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 06 Dec 2009, 04:08

Skeptics,
Look, I'm not saying that HIV doesn't exist or that cancer can be cured with baking soda. You're missing the point. The truth is, I'm not a biologist or doctor so I don't have the credentials to evaluate such things. But your responses to these posts says something about you, namely, that you DON'T ASK QUESTIONS or QUESTION ANYTHING that's official, not even global warming. Instead, scientific consensus/establishment is Gospel Truth to you and NEVER to be questioned, analyzed or doubted. Anyone who challenges that is automatically attacked with ridicule. In other words, you don't invite critical thinking, honest inquiry or skepticism (ironically).

This issue is a case in point. Some challengers question the official hypothesis and rather than look into them, you dismiss them offhand.

Look, neither you nor I are qualified in these areas that other scientists are. But the point is that when there IS disagreement, you always unequivocally side with establishment consensus, without any research or investigation. In other words, your choose your side based on faith, namely the faith that establishment is ALWAYS right, even if the other side has valid points or arguments.

So, when its one side against the other, you don't evaluate the arguments, reasons or evidence. You simply pick the establishment side, and that's it. Not once have you done otherwise.

So, my point is proven.

For example, it never crossed your mind that top biologists like Peter Duesberg, who challenges the official HIV/AIDS hypothesis, could have some valid points or reasons for doing so. Did you know that Duesberg is one of the top and smartest biologists in the world? That means he is no fool. Therefore, if he questions the official hypothesis, don't you think that he MIGHT have good reasons? Why are you skeptics so blinded by your religious beliefs?
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby SeanRMR » 06 Dec 2009, 07:35

Ok sligtly off topic but in reply to what is above.

Scepcop you have lied again when say we just accepted he science view point on the cancer cure by bicarb thread. There was a list of evidence posted by Nostradamus on why that was incorrect.

Now in this topic
And in this thread he posted a link to a website with rebuttals to these videos. So your point of taking things at the science groups word for it are lies atleast in the case of nostradamus.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 06 Dec 2009, 07:57

Thanks Sean for the support.
But your responses to these posts says something about you, namely, that you DON'T ASK QUESTIONS or QUESTION ANYTHING that's official, not even global warming.

Here you are wrong because I do not support global warming.

Instead, scientific consensus/establishment is Gospel Truth to you and NEVER to be questioned, analyzed or doubted. Anyone who challenges that is automatically attacked with ridicule. In other words, you don't invite critical thinking, honest inquiry or skepticism (ironically).

I would say someone that posts this rubbish without thinking or investigating its basis needs to start thinking.

This issue is a case in point. Some challengers question the official hypothesis and rather than look into them, you dismiss them offhand.

That is a clear lie. I posted evidence.

Look, neither you nor I are qualified in these areas that other scientists are. But the point is that when there IS disagreement, you always unequivocally side with establishment consensus, without any research or investigation.

Again that is a clear lie.

In other words, your choose your side based on faith, namely the faith that establishment is ALWAYS right, even if the other side has valid points or arguments.

That is not a lie. That is evidence of an inability to understand what is posted.

So, my point is proven.

Please take the time to understand that to prove a point you need to produce evidence and then formulate a rational set of inferences. You have done neither.

For example, it never crossed your mind that top biologists like Peter Duesberg, who challenges the official HIV/AIDS hypothesis, could have some valid points or reasons for doing so. Did you know that Duesberg is one of the top and smartest biologists in the world?

My response to claim is this statement from the Wikipedia on this person:
Duesberg's denial of HIV/AIDS science is cited as a major influence on the public health policies of South Africa under the administration of Thabo Mbeki. Duesberg also served on an advisory panel to Mbeki, convened in 2000. The consequent failure of South Africa to provide antiretroviral drugs in a timely manner is thought to be responsible for hundreds of thousands of preventable AIDS deaths and HIV infections.


So you take the word of a person who statements and positions have results in hundreds of thousands of deaths. Nice job there.

Why are you skeptics so blinded by your religious beliefs?

What religion are you talking about? Obviously, you are lacking in any sort of basic ability to understand me, or my posts.

So instead of cutting and pasting someone else's work why don't you take the time to write something yourself. Why don't you tel;l us why you believe a mass murderer.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 06 Dec 2009, 10:01

not even global warming.


In my post on global warming I questioned the connection between anthropomorphically generated CO2 and global warming.

Your ad hominem attacks needs to be fixed. Not only are your personal attacks bad etiquette, but they are often wrong.

As always your unsubstantiated comments, which amount to nothing more than rants, are responded to with evidence. In this case evidence that your rant is wrong.

As far as Peter Duesberg is concerned do you understand why his views are considered to be wrong by the vast majority of the scientific community?
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby ProfWag » 06 Dec 2009, 21:01

Sean and ND are correct Scepcop. It's not about not questioning the establishment, it's about not looking for facts before posting some youtube video. You appear to want to spread propoganda without researching the facts before posting it. This was shown and the reason behind my Challenge to you. Just what would be your ideal forum, Scepcop, to have everyone agree with you and your controversial posts? Do you expect that if you post something like your conspiracy theories that you will get a long line of posts that say "Yes! Go Scepcop!" If so, you may want to change that thinking.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Scepcop » 08 Dec 2009, 13:32

Nostradamus wrote:
not even global warming.


In my post on global warming I questioned the connection between anthropomorphically generated CO2 and global warming.

Your ad hominem attacks needs to be fixed. Not only are your personal attacks bad etiquette, but they are often wrong.

As always your unsubstantiated comments, which amount to nothing more than rants, are responded to with evidence. In this case evidence that your rant is wrong.

As far as Peter Duesberg is concerned do you understand why his views are considered to be wrong by the vast majority of the scientific community?


Well duh! This is the real world. And in the real world, when you challenge establishment, you are ridiculed and subject to a smear campaign. What did you expect? You still haven't explained why, if AIDS is so obvious, why a top biologist like Duesberg would challenge it. He is very smart and on video makes a lot of sense. Have you listened to what he has to say?

Remember what Marcus Aurelius said, "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."

The majority is not always right.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby ProfWag » 08 Dec 2009, 20:07

As I've stated before, I no longer watch your youtube videos. Spend some time researching and gathering facts that back up the video and provide that information along with your sources and then I'll listen.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby Nostradamus » 08 Dec 2009, 20:40

Well duh! This is the real world. And in the real world, when you challenge establishment, you are ridiculed and subject to a smear campaign. What did you expect? You still haven't explained why, if AIDS is so obvious, why a top biologist like Duesberg would challenge it. He is very smart and on video makes a lot of sense. Have you listened to what he has to say?


Your first claim is an unsubstantiated universal that you frequently post. After claiming that challenging the establishment leads to harsh treatment you beg the question, i.e. pretend its true and go from there.

You have never been to a scientific meeting have you? You have never listened to a researcher defending a poster or presentation at such a meeting have you? If you did that then you know how absurd your statement is.

I do not have to explain why someone, anyone, or in this case Duesberg is wrong. That is your job. This is your posting so you tell us why he is wrong.

Did I listen to the video? Yes. Did it tell why Duesberg makes his claim. Not really.

In fact, I'll answer my challenge to you since you never bother to post any substance.

Duesberg thinks AIDS is due to the use of recreational drugs and antiviral drugs. There are many good reasons to reject this claim. Here is my scientific statement on the subject:
http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/cohen/cohen.dtl

Duesberg's ideas were studied and rejected back in 1994. So unlike your opening claim his claim was examined and studied. I knew it would be because that is what is done in science, not as you always falsely claim. It has been 15 years since his idea was rejected.
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Re: Breakthrough documentary challenges HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Postby ProfWag » 08 Dec 2009, 22:18

Nostradamus wrote:
In fact, I'll answer my challenge to you since you never bother to post any substance.

Duesberg thinks AIDS is due to the use of recreational drugs and antiviral drugs. There are many good reasons to reject this claim. Here is my scientific statement on the subject:
http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/cohen/cohen.dtl

Duesberg's ideas were studied and rejected back in 1994. So unlike your opening claim his claim was examined and studied. I knew it would be because that is what is done in science, not as you always falsely claim. It has been 15 years since his idea was rejected.

See Scepcop, that's what should have been done prior to your post--research. Look up relevant facts and then, if you still have doubts, post both sides of the argument. Alas, you only post one side and leave the more credible research to others, specifically skeptics, and then criticize us for following the establishment. Sheesh.
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