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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medic

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2011, 18:07
by Craig Browning
I got the Randi story from John Riggs and (I'm not positive I could have it confused in my mind, but) I think it was Richard Webster who likewise commented on it; it's been quite the chat of late in certain circles along with Swiss proving to the world that he's an ass during a Radio spot.

Randi along with most other's of his ilk, cannot explain away Astrology when it comes to the many variables involved with proper chart development and influences. When asked about Trines, Squares and other factors he got lost and simply repeated "It doesn't matter, it's all Cold Reading". . . Derren Brown in the UK is known to screen people coming in for show tapings so he doesn't have people who are educated in Psi practice (I'm not talking storefront hustlers, mind you). It's actually disgusting knowing how much creative deck stacking skeptics do and justify when it comes to this sort of thing. It's been done for decades but only recently coming into public notice. . . mainly because the common person out there is tired of the abuse from either side; especially given the fact that the bulk of the world BELIEVES in something divine and beyond what we are or think we are.

Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medic

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2011, 20:17
by Nostradamus
Craig Browning wrote:I got the Randi story from John Riggs and (I'm not positive I could have it confused in my mind, but) I think it was Richard Webster who likewise commented on it; it's been quite the chat of late in certain circles along with Swiss proving to the world that he's an ass during a Radio spot.

Randi along with most other's of his ilk, cannot explain away Astrology when it comes to the many variables involved with proper chart development and influences. When asked about Trines, Squares and other factors he got lost and simply repeated "It doesn't matter, it's all Cold Reading". . . Derren Brown in the UK is known to screen people coming in for show tapings so he doesn't have people who are educated in Psi practice (I'm not talking storefront hustlers, mind you). It's actually disgusting knowing how much creative deck stacking skeptics do and justify when it comes to this sort of thing. It's been done for decades but only recently coming into public notice. . . mainly because the common person out there is tired of the abuse from either side; especially given the fact that the bulk of the world BELIEVES in something divine and beyond what we are or think we are.

This the essence of astrology testing - You didn't use the right form of astrology in your test. You tested the wrong stuff.

That is all you are suggesting here Craig. That is a trite commentary. I've heard that for 2 decades and it appears this claim is not going away. This is simply close minded thinking. It is the rather sad excuse from those that are shown wrong. They want to tweak the result after testing reveals yet another failure.

Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medic

PostPosted: 04 Nov 2011, 21:28
by Craig Browning
No, you are over simplifying what I said and as I've noted, I may not be stating things clearly or precisely. I only know that Randi was backed into a corner during a talk "proving the lack of validity of everything" because he couldn't answer the questions put to him by these students by saying anything other than "it's all cold reading. . ." Then, during the break, those students were told they could not come back into the lecture because they were being "disruptive" . . . by questioning the authority and make it look lost and stupid, they were censored/silenced.

I'll actually try to get the details on this one because it was recent (within the past two or three months I believe).

Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medic

PostPosted: 05 Nov 2011, 03:43
by Nostradamus
I would love to see the details as well. Looking forward to see what actually happened.