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Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby Scepcop » 17 Aug 2009, 15:59

She makes a good point, doesn't she?

Your comments on pseudoskeptic's argument on alternative medicine is very good. Pseudoskeptics love to debunk alternative health methods and use anecdotal evidence to "prove" the inefficacy of these methods, but don't say nothing about the thousand of deaths per year caused by conventional medicine:


If Skeptics were unbiased and objective, why do they point to deaths caused by alternative medicine but never to deaths from conventional medicine? Is that the mark of objectivity to you? NOT!
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby highflyertoo » 13 Oct 2009, 09:50

Scepcop wrote:She makes a good point, doesn't she?

Your comments on pseudoskeptic's argument on alternative medicine is very good. Pseudoskeptics love to debunk alternative health methods and use anecdotal evidence to "prove" the inefficacy of these methods, but don't say nothing about the thousand of deaths per year caused by conventional medicine:


If Skeptics were unbiased and objective, why do they point to deaths caused by alternative medicine but never to deaths from conventional medicine? Is that the mark of objectivity to you? NOT!


More awareness should be placed on the ''death and damage'' that mainstream medicines and vaccinations have and can cause.

Here's a videos of people against the Swine Flu Shots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDxJgJRqPng&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPC1pT2fs1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJ7VZvFCyA
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby ciscop » 13 Oct 2009, 09:58

what a bunch of hipocrites
next time you are on an accident (i dont wish anybody that)
dont go to a real doctor
go to an homeopath, acupunturist or whatever quack method you prefer
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby SeanRMR » 13 Oct 2009, 10:03

Not really. Think about how many lives have been saved by proven medical practices. Instead of the unproven alternative ones. If they worked they would be proved and be called medicine.

Some alternative medicines have been shown to give no noticeable effect repeatedly enough though that I don't see the point of testing them again.(Homeopathy for example).

Unlike Vaccinces which have been shown to have great effect.

Edited to add that most medicine have a percentage of success attributed to the so if something was shown to have a 70% survival rate with a treatment(20% otherwise) and 30% of people died after the treatement how are we hypocritical of the alternative treatment which would end up with around 80% of people dieing.
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby highflyertoo » 13 Oct 2009, 18:21

ciscop wrote:what a bunch of hipocrites
next time you are on an accident (i dont wish anybody that)
dont go to a real doctor
go to an homeopath, acupunturist or whatever quack method you prefer


since when do real doctors poison people ?

and have you had the swine zoo shot yet? i mean the swine flu shot yet?
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby highflyertoo » 13 Oct 2009, 20:09

Zeolite


It's good for cleansing heavy metals and toxins
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby NinjaPuppy » 13 Oct 2009, 23:25

highflyertoo wrote:since when do real doctors poison people ?


May I introduce you to Dr. Jack Kevorkian? I have his card around here somewhere. :lol:

Here's a full list of physicians from Wikipedia:

Dr John Bodkin Adams - suspected British serial killer, thought to have killed over 160 patients. Acquitted of one murder in 1957 but convicted of prescription fraud, not keeping a dangerous drug register, obstructing a police search and lying on cremation forms.
Karl Brandt (1904–1948) - Nazi human experimentation
Dr Edme Castaing - murderer
George Chapman - Polish poisoner and Jack the Ripper suspect
Dr Robert George Clements - murderer
Dr Nigel Cox - only British doctor to be convicted of attempted euthanasia
Dr Thomas Neill Cream - murderer
Baruch Goldstein (1956–1994) - assassin
Linda Hazzard - convicted of murdering one patient but suspected of 12 in total
Dr H.H. Holmes - American serial killer
Shiro Ishii - headed Japan's Unit 731 during World War II which conducted human experimentation for weapons and medical research
Radovan Karadžić (born 1945) - accused of ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia
Jack Kevorkian (born 1923) - convicted of second-degree murder, Michigan, April 13, 1999
Dr Jeffrey MacDonald
Josef Mengele (1911–1979) - known as the Angel of Death, Nazi human experimentation
Samuel Mudd (1833–1883) - condemned to prison for setting the leg of Abraham Lincoln's assassin
Herman Webster Mudgett (1860–1896) - American serial killer
Arnfinn Nesset - Norwegian serial killer
Dr William Palmer - British poisoner
Dr Marcel Petiot - French serial killer
Herta Oberheuser (1911–1978) - Nazi human experimentation
Richard J. Schmidt - American physician who contaminated his girlfriend with AIDS-tainted blood
Harold Shipman (1946–2004) - British serial killer
Michael Swango (born 1953) - American serial killer
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby highflyertoo » 14 Oct 2009, 08:12

NinjaPuppy wrote:
highflyertoo wrote:since when do real doctors poison people ?


May I introduce you to Dr. Jack Kevorkian? I have his card around here somewhere. :lol:

Here's a full list of physicians from Wikipedia:

Dr John Bodkin Adams - suspected British serial killer, thought to have killed over 160 patients. Acquitted of one murder in 1957 but convicted of prescription fraud, not keeping a dangerous drug register, obstructing a police search and lying on cremation forms.
Karl Brandt (1904–1948) - Nazi human experimentation
Dr Edme Castaing - murderer
George Chapman - Polish poisoner and Jack the Ripper suspect
Dr Robert George Clements - murderer
Dr Nigel Cox - only British doctor to be convicted of attempted euthanasia
Dr Thomas Neill Cream - murderer
Baruch Goldstein (1956–1994) - assassin
Linda Hazzard - convicted of murdering one patient but suspected of 12 in total
Dr H.H. Holmes - American serial killer
Shiro Ishii - headed Japan's Unit 731 during World War II which conducted human experimentation for weapons and medical research
Radovan Karadžić (born 1945) - accused of ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia
Jack Kevorkian (born 1923) - convicted of second-degree murder, Michigan, April 13, 1999
Dr Jeffrey MacDonald
Josef Mengele (1911–1979) - known as the Angel of Death, Nazi human experimentation
Samuel Mudd (1833–1883) - condemned to prison for setting the leg of Abraham Lincoln's assassin
Herman Webster Mudgett (1860–1896) - American serial killer
Arnfinn Nesset - Norwegian serial killer
Dr William Palmer - British poisoner
Dr Marcel Petiot - French serial killer
Herta Oberheuser (1911–1978) - Nazi human experimentation
Richard J. Schmidt - American physician who contaminated his girlfriend with AIDS-tainted blood
Harold Shipman (1946–2004) - British serial killer
Michael Swango (born 1953) - American serial killer


And had you understood my reply to ciscop, then you would have realized that the ''REAL DOCTORS'' don't approve of heavy metals and toxins in the Swine Flu Vaccine, and then call it good for the people. Ok ?
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby ciscop » 14 Oct 2009, 09:37

hey man..
from all that list

Kevorkian is the one i do agree with
:-p i know is a moral issue and not sure we should get down that road (nothing paranormal about that)
but i think everybody is entitled to decide when they want to go, nobody should suffer
only the religious right kooks want to keep people alive in their suffering
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby ciscop » 14 Oct 2009, 09:40

Josef Mengele

what a cool bad guy name

by the way
with all that list (not sure if it was intended)
but you remind me of Ben Stein accusing scientists of causing the holocaust in his ID movie.
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby NinjaPuppy » 14 Oct 2009, 12:26

ciscop wrote:hey man..
from all that list

Kevorkian is the one i do agree with
:-p i know is a moral issue and not sure we should get down that road (nothing paranormal about that)
but i think everybody is entitled to decide when they want to go, nobody should suffer
only the religious right kooks want to keep people alive in their suffering


I agree. I don't like someone else making that sort of a decision for me, one way or the other. :D
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby RarelyImpressed » 03 Nov 2009, 16:12

I think people forget that different things work different ways for different people. IMO our bodies are like a chemistry set needing the right balance of vitamins, omegas, excersise and dosage. For example maybe I have a Vitamin D deficency I would certainly have to find out the right amount of dosage needed to set it straight, whereas a person with good vitamin d levels would need for little dosage and would try not to over due it to cause later side effects. To much of anything is bad, moderation is the key and the different amounts of dosage matter very importantly, we all react differently to certain nutritions and diets ETC.
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 Nov 2009, 17:30

I have to be very careful when taking any prescription medications. If it's not absolutely necessary, I will do without.
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medicine

Postby Nostradamus » 04 Nov 2009, 21:56

Earlier I noticed a comment about the Swine Flu vaccine. Would the poster attempt to defend their position?
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Re: Skeptics' ultimate hypocrisy regarding alternative medic

Postby Arouet » 29 Oct 2011, 03:03

Because they make a profit? :)

Even though you're just a spammer, I'll answer the question: alternative medicine is "alternative" simply because they don't go through proper scietific testing prior to being administered to the public. I have no issue with Reiki, or Homeopathy, or acupuncture in principle. Just show that it works! And do so by using the same techniques that we use for every other medical practice. I don't care if it was discovered 1000 years ago or last week: just show that it works as intended, and is safe.
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