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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby NinjaPuppy » 24 Sep 2012, 01:59

SydneyPSIder wrote:In light of the preceding, there seems to be a massive cover-up between doctors, big pharma and the medical journals which take so much advertising money from big pharma -- dare I say -- a conspiracy!!??

Yes, a conspiracy by textbook definition
con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s) n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.


That is if you have at least two people who agree to the exact illegal action. What you CAN have here is an unfortunate combination of people who don't want to:
1. Lose their job
2. Lose the money
3. Lie for the hell of it
4. Have a personal agenda
5. Don't do the proper research because they're lazy
6. Arrogance
7. Made a mistake or miscalulation
8. Embarrassed that they made a mistake
9. Don't want to own up to their mistake
10. Never should have been put in that job in the first place

and the list can go on and on but it doesn't mean that it's one big conspiracy.

SydneyPSIder wrote:The court cases and quiet secret payouts seem to be pretty damning in themselves. Then certain ingredients in the vaxes seemed to create the spike in autism cases in the mid-90s accordign to one account.

And another account can be that since they now can actually diagnose autism and have given it a proper terminology, they are finding that it's unfortunate that it's always existed.

I came to this possible conclusion during a conversation with a good friend who's son is autistic but she's much older than I am and she said:

Back when her son was having the learning problems and didn't seem to belong in school, he was kept back in kindergarten. After his second year he showed no sign of being any more ready than he was the first time so she asked the doctor about it. She was basically told that she had a dumb one. It was that simple. She thought about it and said, by golly he's right. Since the beginning of time if you were to compare an entire group of children you are going to notice that there are smart ones, regular ones and a few dumb ones. (Disclaimer: Before the days of being Politically Correct, words like idiot, stupid, dumb, moron, retarded and other slurs were actually used in place of medical terminology especially for moms who were considered already to have a lower mental capacity because of gender so you'll have to deal with it in this explanation) As her son got older, medical research started to uncover things about kids, like ADD, ADHD and the like and rather than ignore a child's education by keeping them at home or putting them in a special 'home' or school, they came up with a bunch of new labels. That brought on more research and of course more research money and the need to do something with all this new research.

So much has changed in the last few decades and it's all good. At least it's better than what we had 50 or 60 years ago but not yet where it needs to be.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Sep 2012, 08:27

Arouet wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:Here's a recent study -- the article also demonstrates that scientists come under intense pressure if they find that vaccines cause harm:


That study does do a literature review but it doesn't conclude that vaccines cause autism: http://www.intentionalgrace.co.nz/uploa ... ajczak.pdf


I also looked at that redacted email referenced above related to the denmark study - It speaks of a stat in 2001. It doesn't reference the rate of autism in the 90s from what I can see. Also, I didn't see a reference to contradict that cases in Denmark did indeed decline. I couldn't find one using google either. Do you have a reference?

Not sure what you're referring to there, Arouet -- if the article alleging interference by the CDC in the Danish study is to be believed, then an effect WAS found, but the CDC rewrote the paper to indicate a reverse effect -- this self-contradiction been pointed out in the original critique of 16 papers I posted as well -- that the Danish data suggests there is an association, but their write-up or Discussion somehow turns around and says the opposite. The article above claims criminal interference and tampering with the paper by the CDC.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Sep 2012, 08:41

NinjaPuppy wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:In light of the preceding, there seems to be a massive cover-up between doctors, big pharma and the medical journals which take so much advertising money from big pharma -- dare I say -- a conspiracy!!??

Yes, a conspiracy by textbook definition
con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s) n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.


That is if you have at least two people who agree to the exact illegal action. What you CAN have here is an unfortunate combination of people who don't want to:
1. Lose their job
2. Lose the money
3. Lie for the hell of it
4. Have a personal agenda
5. Don't do the proper research because they're lazy
6. Arrogance
7. Made a mistake or miscalulation
8. Embarrassed that they made a mistake
9. Don't want to own up to their mistake
10. Never should have been put in that job in the first place

and the list can go on and on but it doesn't mean that it's one big conspiracy.

SydneyPSIder wrote:The court cases and quiet secret payouts seem to be pretty damning in themselves. Then certain ingredients in the vaxes seemed to create the spike in autism cases in the mid-90s accordign to one account.

And another account can be that since they now can actually diagnose autism and have given it a proper terminology, they are finding that it's unfortunate that it's always existed.

I came to this possible conclusion during a conversation with a good friend who's son is autistic but she's much older than I am and she said:

Back when her son was having the learning problems and didn't seem to belong in school, he was kept back in kindergarten. After his second year he showed no sign of being any more ready than he was the first time so she asked the doctor about it. She was basically told that she had a dumb one. It was that simple. She thought about it and said, by golly he's right. Since the beginning of time if you were to compare an entire group of children you are going to notice that there are smart ones, regular ones and a few dumb ones. (Disclaimer: Before the days of being Politically Correct, words like idiot, stupid, dumb, moron, retarded and other slurs were actually used in place of medical terminology especially for moms who were considered already to have a lower mental capacity because of gender so you'll have to deal with it in this explanation) As her son got older, medical research started to uncover things about kids, like ADD, ADHD and the like and rather than ignore a child's education by keeping them at home or putting them in a special 'home' or school, they came up with a bunch of new labels. That brought on more research and of course more research money and the need to do something with all this new research.

So much has changed in the last few decades and it's all good. At least it's better than what we had 50 or 60 years ago but not yet where it needs to be.

Yes, 'conspiracy theorist' as a phrase has become such a commonplace substitute for 'tin foil hatter' that people forget what it means -- that people are uncovering a conspiracy to defraud and theorising about it...

You are possibly right about the possibility of 'diagnostic creep' also, NP, in that more cases are being diagnosed and classified in a certain way. Consider that that doctor is once again writing off the mistakes of the profession by blaming the victim -- remember the saying 'doctors bury their mistakes'! On the face of the evidence and anecdotal accounts of damage caused shortly after getting a jab, and the fact they are jabbing at birth with Hep B and at 2 months and 4 months with DTP and that these represent peaks of cot death as well, I cannot accept that there is no association at this stage. Although they write each case off and say 'it's just a dumb child' etc consider the growing class sizes of children with special needs. There seems to be a peak in the 1990s when thimerosal was being used. Remember the drug companies seem to reformulate their way out of trouble when things go wrong. There was a wave of deaths in the 1970s when the US govt decided to try to immunise the whole country against a new flu, and immediately had to stop after people got sick and died from the jab. There was another wave of deaths in nursing homes when someone decided to vaccinate all the elderly against flu -- they hid the spike in the death rate that year by attributing the vaccine deaths to the flu itself, which the patients had not caught! They keep arguing that the death and disability rate would be higher if kids got wild measles, etc, but as Dr Lawrence Palevsky's calculations show, the rate of encephalitis from getting the jabs is much higher than the former rates of encephalitis from catching the disease, and yet the vaccine was marketed as being protective against such encephalitis as the main problematic disease symptom! Also, they have studied autistic kids and found their heads to be larger than normal or than they should be, on average -- this is a classic sign in the developing child of an inflammation or encephalitis. These vaccines have just not been tested well for safety, except on the population as a whole -- they are injecting chemicals of unknown action directly into the bloodstreams of developing children -- they just don't know what interactions with the immune system will occur -- they have found that, yes, the body can be stimulated to produce IgG against the antigen they just introduced, but the adjuvants and even the antigen itself may have devastating effects on some people, they just don't know what they're tampering with. It's like taking your new car for a mandatory 6 month service, then driving it out and the engine is clunking and misfiring, and you take it back and the mechanic says they don't know what it is, it's obviously just something about the car. Wouldn't you put 2 and 2 together? Would you accept the mechanic's explanation?

Apart from the possibility of 'diagnostic creep', we're seeing a higher rate of cot deaths or SIDS, often within 2 weeks of a jab according to parents' accounts. We did not evolve to just die in our sleep as babies of no cause. Then there are the skyrocketing rates of asthma and allergies in children which are going up as the number of vaccines goes up -- vaccines tamper with the immune system, and yet we are not supposed to draw or suspect an association between the tampering and the very high rate of auto-immune disorders that are suddenly appearing? Doctors claim to be 'mystified' by thenew asthma/allergy rate and 'must look for a cause, apart from vaccines'. Come on, ruling stuff out because it's inconvenient for their earnings is hardly honest 'scientific enquiry' of all possibilities, is it?
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby Arouet » 24 Sep 2012, 08:58

SydneyPSIder wrote:Not sure what you're referring to there, Arouet -- if the article alleging interference by the CDC in the Danish study is to be believed, then an effect WAS found, but the CDC rewrote the paper to indicate a reverse effect -- this self-contradiction been pointed out in the original critique of 16 papers I posted as well -- that the Danish data suggests there is an association, but their write-up or Discussion somehow turns around and says the opposite. The article above claims criminal interference and tampering with the paper by the CDC.


The evidence they had was apparently the email at exhibit 3 - but that email says nothing about autism rates in the 90s. It refers to a stat in 2001, which I assume the authors believe refers to autism rates, but even that wasn't clear.

The authors disagreed with the methods the researchers used to show that autism rates increased in Denmark but didn't say what they thought the true rate was.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Sep 2012, 09:12

Arouet wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:Not sure what you're referring to there, Arouet -- if the article alleging interference by the CDC in the Danish study is to be believed, then an effect WAS found, but the CDC rewrote the paper to indicate a reverse effect -- this self-contradiction been pointed out in the original critique of 16 papers I posted as well -- that the Danish data suggests there is an association, but their write-up or Discussion somehow turns around and says the opposite. The article above claims criminal interference and tampering with the paper by the CDC.


The evidence they had was apparently the email at exhibit 3 - but that email says nothing about autism rates in the 90s. It refers to a stat in 2001, which I assume the authors believe refers to autism rates, but even that wasn't clear.

The authors disagreed with the methods the researchers used to show that autism rates increased in Denmark but didn't say what they thought the true rate was.

I'm inclined to mistrust what a lot of the 'authors' say, Arouet, given the skullduggery going on, the poor safety trialling of these vaccines, and the fact that a few percent of kids dying or being maimed for life is held to be an acceptable loss -- even if the damage caused is worse than having no vaccine at all and getting the disease!
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby Arouet » 24 Sep 2012, 09:26

SydneyPSIder wrote:I'm inclined to mistrust what a lot of the 'authors' say,


I'm talking about the authors of the paper you cited. They said they thought the denmark team got the stats wrong, but didn't say what they thought the proper stats were.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Sep 2012, 09:46

Arouet wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:I'm inclined to mistrust what a lot of the 'authors' say,


I'm talking about the authors of the paper you cited. They said they thought the denmark team got the stats wrong, but didn't say what they thought the proper stats were.

Oh OK -- there is a re-analysis in the first paper examining 16 papers I believe -- I have definitely seen a recasting of the numbers somewhere. Let's face it, it's a bit hard recalculating a paper for someone when it's been tampered with, and in the end can you even trust the gathering and representation of raw data? It's a bit like jabbing someone with something that causes their system to go haywire and then trying to figure out the full extent of the damage and how it occurred!

So just have a look at the first paper analysing the 16 papers first and let me know. I suspect you could find a re-analysis using the right keywords in google also.

Further, many of the methodologies are very suspect when you look at them, as per the original critical paper -- they deliberately apply cut-offs in time to exclude cases, they use very dodgy measures such as requiring 'hospitalisation' to be eligible for inclusion in the study, they group people incorrectly to skew the findings, and they often do not consider the entire history of vaccination in the child as being cumulative or one jab causing damage that leads to even more damage on the next jab. I noted one of them claimed that several of the kids were 'pre-autistic' before the jab by inspection, and that 'experts' could pick that -- without consdering that those supposedly 'pre-autistic' kids had already received a whole bunch of other multiple antigen and single antigen shots such as Hep B, DTP, HiB, and so on -- up to 20 in their first year of life -- if they were susceptible to damage from those early jabs, then yes, they would be looking a little shaky at 18 months about to get the MMR. These constant convenient re-assessments and excuses are completely shameful. At the end of the day, I don't trust that some of them aren't even faking the data, that's what happens when you go into a study all pseudosceptical and with financial backing from big pharma and the CDC.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby Arouet » 24 Sep 2012, 10:31

SydneyPSIder wrote:Oh OK -- there is a re-analysis in the first paper examining 16 papers I believe -- I have definitely seen a recasting of the numbers somewhere. Let's face it, it's a bit hard recalculating a paper for someone when it's been tampered with, and in the end can you even trust the gathering and representation of raw data?


Well, as I said, I didn't see anything that actually suggested they did tamper with it. The email at exhibit 3, which they present as their smoking gun, doesn't have any reference to autism rates in the 90s. So unless I'm missing something, what exactly is the evidence of tampering?

It's a bit like jabbing someone with something that causes their system to go haywire and then trying to figure out the full extent of the damage and how it occurred!


Well, their allegation is that autism rates in Denmark went down instead of up. I'd like to see the evidence of that.

So just have a look at the first paper analysing the 16 papers first and let me know. I suspect you could find a re-analysis using the right keywords in google also.


I started going through that a bit, will take some time.

Further, many of the methodologies are very suspect when you look at them, as per the original critical paper -- they deliberately apply cut-offs in time to exclude cases, they use very dodgy measures such as requiring 'hospitalisation' to be eligible for inclusion in the study, they group people incorrectly to skew the findings, and they often do not consider the entire history of vaccination in the child as being cumulative or one jab causing damage that leads to even more damage on the next jab. I noted one of them claimed that several of the kids were 'pre-autistic' before the jab by inspection, and that 'experts' could pick that -- without consdering that those supposedly 'pre-autistic' kids had already received a whole bunch of other multiple antigen and single antigen shots such as Hep B, DTP, HiB, and so on -- up to 20 in their first year of life -- if they were susceptible to damage from those early jabs, then yes, they would be looking a little shaky at 18 months about to get the MMR. These constant convenient re-assessments and excuses are completely shameful. At the end of the day, I don't trust that some of them aren't even faking the data, that's what happens when you go into a study all pseudosceptical and with financial backing from big pharma and the CDC.


I'll look at the paper. But what I'm seeing so far is a lot of criticism of the papers suggesting no link between vaccines and autism but precious little actually showing such a connection. And that recent paper I cited looks good to me (though I'm no scientist of course)
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby NinjaPuppy » 24 Sep 2012, 10:40

consider the growing class sizes of children with special needs.

Consider that it costs money (extra money) for a school to make another special ed class as the numbers rise. Schools will do whatever it takes to keep from having to hire another teacher and aid for only one or two more children. Once again, the child winds up having to deal with being the dumb one until either the numbers rise or the school finds the money in their budget.

SIDS has been around since the beginning of time. I'll agree with you on vaccines being responsible for a percentage of those deaths. How large or small of a percentage is not known at least by me. SIDS is also believed to be prevented by putting the baby to sleep on their back rather than their belly. However, there is a drawback to this as babies who are put to sleep on their backs seem to miss out on crawling at an earlier age. Crawling is a very important learning / developmental thing for babies. There's also a long list of things to do to prevent SIDS but many moms ignore those as well.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Sep 2012, 11:04

Arouet wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:Oh OK -- there is a re-analysis in the first paper examining 16 papers I believe -- I have definitely seen a recasting of the numbers somewhere. Let's face it, it's a bit hard recalculating a paper for someone when it's been tampered with, and in the end can you even trust the gathering and representation of raw data?


Well, as I said, I didn't see anything that actually suggested they did tamper with it. The email at exhibit 3, which they present as their smoking gun, doesn't have any reference to autism rates in the 90s. So unless I'm missing something, what exactly is the evidence of tampering?

It's a bit like jabbing someone with something that causes their system to go haywire and then trying to figure out the full extent of the damage and how it occurred!


Well, their allegation is that autism rates in Denmark went down instead of up. I'd like to see the evidence of that.

So just have a look at the first paper analysing the 16 papers first and let me know. I suspect you could find a re-analysis using the right keywords in google also.


I started going through that a bit, will take some time.

Further, many of the methodologies are very suspect when you look at them, as per the original critical paper -- they deliberately apply cut-offs in time to exclude cases, they use very dodgy measures such as requiring 'hospitalisation' to be eligible for inclusion in the study, they group people incorrectly to skew the findings, and they often do not consider the entire history of vaccination in the child as being cumulative or one jab causing damage that leads to even more damage on the next jab. I noted one of them claimed that several of the kids were 'pre-autistic' before the jab by inspection, and that 'experts' could pick that -- without consdering that those supposedly 'pre-autistic' kids had already received a whole bunch of other multiple antigen and single antigen shots such as Hep B, DTP, HiB, and so on -- up to 20 in their first year of life -- if they were susceptible to damage from those early jabs, then yes, they would be looking a little shaky at 18 months about to get the MMR. These constant convenient re-assessments and excuses are completely shameful. At the end of the day, I don't trust that some of them aren't even faking the data, that's what happens when you go into a study all pseudosceptical and with financial backing from big pharma and the CDC.


I'll look at the paper. But what I'm seeing so far is a lot of criticism of the papers suggesting no link between vaccines and autism but precious little actually showing such a connection. And that recent paper I cited looks good to me (though I'm no scientist of course)

There is an article I've cited above that suggests the Danish paper was tampered with heavily by the CDC, which turned around the conclusions in the opposite direction to what the data was suggesting, and apparently the authors have objected. Are you saying that is all made up?

Doubtless all the papers look good to you because they look very official. There is a question of vested interests behind most of them, of course, and they have been critiqued for poor methodology and deliberate bias.

I will have a look at the Japanese study if that is what you are referring to, but there is data from Japan that suggests an increase in autism with an increase in vaxes, by the way.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Sep 2012, 11:11

These are studies from Japan and elsewhere tracking a direct correlation between rates of ASD and numbers of kids vaccinated with MMR. I hope you aren't going to play the captious game so beloved of the tobacco industry that nobody has yet 'proven' or demonstrated exactly by what mechanism smoking causes lung cancer, therfore it does not cause cancer, there is just a massive correlation between smoking and lung cancer, that would just be being bloody-minded, now wouldn't it?

Even while outfits like the CDC are denying a link, they are secretly compensating families from a vaccine fund for autism caused by vaccination!!!! Your single-minded determination to overlook all the evidence and hang on to just one paper strikes me as slightly... autistic... too, to be honest.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/ ... vaxautism/

Just months following the US Court of Federal Claims rejection of the claim that the MMR vaccine causes autism, here you will see data from formal peer refereed medical papers showing that vaccines caused autism in British and in Japanese children and will be doing the same to children around the world. The number of Japanese children developing autism rose and fell in direct proportion to the number of children vaccinated each year:-

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Click here on Contents for full details of the Japanese data [after our short section below on "British Data Show Vaccines Cause Autism"].

[See end of page for the above graph by annual % of children receiving MMR vaccination - still showing the same correspondence.]

For confirmation of four ways autistic conditions are caused see evidence in statements from pharmaceutical giant Merck’s Vaccines Division current President, by a US Government agency, by the US Federal Court and in formally published academic journal papers - details found here: Vaccination Causes Autism – Say US Government & Merck’s Director of Vaccines

If you read nothing else we strongly recommend you read this: PDF Download – Text of email from US HRSA to Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News]. In it the US Health Resources Services Administration [HRSA] state to CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkission

We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.” [Text added 10 April 2011]

I – British Data Show Vaccines Cause Autism

Information from formal peer reviewed papers including data from the UK’s General Practice Research Database shows that with each major change in the UK childhood vaccination programme the rates of childhood autism have increased significantly.

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[Article updated 27 April 2010 to include British data]

The graph above is adapted from a 2001 paper by Jick et al. The authors claimed [emphasis added]:-



“... the data provide evidence that no correlation exists between the prevalence of MMR vaccination and the rapid increase in the risk of autism over time. The explanation for the marked increase in risk of the diagnosis of autism in the past decade remains uncertain. ….. The increase ….. could be due to …… environmental factors not yet identified.”

“Mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine and the incidence of autism recorded by general practitioners: a time trend analysis” BMJ 2001;322:460-463 24 February.

The data shows something different and when correlated with major changes in the UK childhood vaccination programme shows what are the most likely “environmental factors not yet identified“. With each major change to the UK’s childhood vaccination programme cases of childhood autism increased substantially.

The childhood autism risk increased three-fold for children born in 1988 and 1989 from the previous rate of between 1 and 4 in 10,000 to 12 in 10,000.

The major change: the MMR vaccine was introduced in October 1988. Routine administration was at around 15 months.

The childhood autism risk increased five-fold for children born in 1990 and 1991 to 20 in 10,000 from the pre 1988 rate of 1 to 4 in 10,000.

The major change: in May 1990 the accelerated DTP vaccine programme was introduced. British babies were given the DTP vaccine substantially earlier at 2, 3 and 4 months instead of the previous 3, 5 and 10 months: [Persistence of antibody after accelerated immunisation with diphtheria/tetanus/pertussis vaccine: 1489 BMJ VOLUME 302 22 JUNE 1991]

The childhood autism risk increased nearly eight-fold for children born in 1993 to 29 in 10,000 from the pre 1988 rate of 1 to 4 in 10,000.

The major change: the Haemophilus Influenzae b vaccine was introduced in October 1992. Routine administration was three doses at 2, 3 and 4 months. [Routine Hib Vaccine: 438 BMJ VOLUME 305 22 AUGUST 1992, Hib immunisation catch up programme in North East Thames: R17 Communicable Disease Report Vol 4 Review Number 2 4 February 1994]

It appears it was only from 1993 that most infants were vaccinated at 2, 3 and 4 months with those born earlier being vaccinated at later ages in “catch-up campaigns”. This data suggests that to reduce the risk of autism from vaccines parents should delay the age at which their children are vaccinated.


One study shows that average vaccine coverage by November 1993 was 34% for 1989 births, 77% for 1990 births, 87% for 1991 births, and 89% for 1992 births: [“Haemophilus influenzae: the efficiency of reporting invasive disease in England and Wales” Communicable Disease Report R13 4:2 4 February 1994].

The current UK rate of children with autistic conditions is 1 in 64 [or 157 per 10,000 children]: “Prevalence of autism-spectrum conditions: UK school-based population study” Baron-Cohen S, Scott FJ, Allison C, Williams J, Bolton P, Matthews FE and Brayne C (2009) British Journal of Psychiatry, 194: 500-509.

The rate in boys is 1 in 40. Prior to 1988 which saw the first of several major changes to the UK childhood vaccination programmes the rate of childhood autism was running at between 1 and 4 in 10,000. Childhood autism is also known as “typical” or “Kanner” autism.

In addition to vaccines being a biologically plausible cause of the worldwide increases in autistic conditions in children we have also seen legal cases in the USA confirming vaccines have caused autism in US children: AUTISM – US Court Decisions and Other Recent Developments – It’s Not Just MMR

The data presented here provides further evidence of the unscientific approach of medical researchers when publishing papers purporting to support the claim there is no association between vaccines and autism.

[Further details in our related article: British Data Show Vaccines Cause Autism]

II – Japanese Data Show Vaccines Cause Autism

Contents

Introduction & Peer Review

Flawed “Science” By Doctors Not Scientists

The Invalid Claims of Honda and Rutter

The Vaccination Data Honda/Rutter Omitted

Japanese Autism Numbers Rose & Fell With Vaccinations

The Power of Rechallenge

Professor Sir Michael Rutter & The Drug Industry Connections

What You Can Do
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby Arouet » 25 Sep 2012, 00:20

SydneyPSIder wrote:There is an article I've cited above that suggests the Danish paper was tampered with heavily by the CDC, which turned around the conclusions in the opposite direction to what the data was suggesting, and apparently the authors have objected. Are you saying that is all made up?


???? this is the paper we've been discussing! The authors present an email at exhibit 3 of their paper which they say is their evidence that the CDC knew that the autism rates went down instead of up. What I've said is that looking at that email, I don't see any reference to autism rates in the 90s, which is what the Danish study looked at. It refers to a stat in 2001 - and I'm not sure due to the redaction exactly what stat they are referring to.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

Doubtless all the papers look good to you because they look very official. There is a question of vested interests behind most of them, of course, and they have been critiqued for poor methodology and deliberate bias.


This paper though looks like a controlled study with no significant differences between the two groups. Perhaps there are some flaws, I'm not fully capable of analysing it. But I'll also caution you to be careful about the critiques. Remember: bias is everywhere, including within anti-vaccination lobbies.

I will have a look at the Japanese study if that is what you are referring to, but there is data from Japan that suggests an increase in autism with an increase in vaxes, by the way.[/quote]
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby Arouet » 25 Sep 2012, 00:32

Also, instead of just posting articles from anti-vacc groups - let''s just focus on actual studies. I could post articles from skeptical sites that support vaccination and I doubt you'd consider them reliable sources.
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 25 Sep 2012, 21:10

Arouet wrote:Also, instead of just posting articles from anti-vacc groups - let''s just focus on actual studies. I could post articles from skeptical sites that support vaccination and I doubt you'd consider them reliable sources.

It hasn't occurred to you or gotten through to you that many of the studies are compromised, being funded or influenced by big pharma and/or the CDC?

I can only point you back to the critique of 16 major studies cited initially.

As the the last referenced site points out:

The “science” from medical journals presented to courts is not reliable. The medical “science” evidence-base has become institutionally and systemically corrupt since US President Ronald Reagan introduced the Bayh-Dole Act in the 1980′s : ["Doctors Without Borders - Why you can't trust medical journals anymore" by Shannon Brownlee, Washington Monthly].

Mainstream medical journals live off drug company advertising. Government health officials, drug company lobbyists and medical professionals tell us: it is “science” and “proof” when it is not.

Covert lobbying is endemic:-

‘The use of PR to counter negative publicity’

’221. ………. Considerable resources are invested into building long-term, sustainable relationships with stakeholders and ‘key opinion leaders‘ and journalists. These relationships are used to promote the use of certain brands and counter concerns relating to safety. Efforts to undermine critical voices in particular were identified, under terms of “issues management”. In later evidence, in response to the ISM’s memorandum, Pfizer stated that PR is entirely legitimate and can “help to educate and inform”. According to the PMCPA, PR activities may include “placing articles in the lay press, TV documentaries, soap operas etc“.’ [p60 'The Influence of the Pharmaceutical industry' 2004 - English Parliamentary Health Select Committee report [emphasis added]]
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Re: Flu Vaccine INCREASES Risk of Serious Pandemic Flu

Postby SydneyPSIder » 25 Sep 2012, 21:16

I don't have time to look for study after study now, the last links seemed to point to some studies, the formatting is so bad I can't figure out what the site is referring to tho. The graphs and analysis seem pretty damning -- the notes I've been reading around the traps suggest that the live rubella virus vaccine is particularly dangerous re autism and encephalitis, just one part of the MMR triple antigen jab:

The Honda/Rutter paper when corrected provides not only strong evidence that MMR and single measles vaccines are causes of ASD but it also implicates as causes of ASD the rubella vaccine and JE (Japanese Encephalitis) vaccine containing Thiomersal [Thimerosal in the USA]. Thiomersal is a known toxic mercury containing neurotoxin and also causes allergies. It is toxic in parts per billion.

When Honda/Rutter is compared to Terada it can be seen that ASD numbers rose and fell in direct proportion to the total number of children vaccinated in any year. In other words, the number of Japanese children who developed autism was directly related to the number who received MMR, single measles, rubella and Japanese Encephalitis vaccines. Here is a combined graph showing this:-

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The authors wrongly claimed this meant it was unlikely MMR vaccine caused autism spectrum disorders. They made this claim without any “control” – a scientific fundamental – something to compare against MMR – a scientific benchmark or yardstick to see if there was any difference compared with something else.

As can be seen from the above Honda/Rutter graph, in 93-94 and after, the autism rate was double that in the period up to 1992 [when the MMR vaccine was withdrawn]. The authors were duty bound to consider this before going into print. Their data put them on notice that withdrawing the proven dangerous Japanese MMR vaccine was associated with a marked drop in new cases of autism. That is clear from their graphs. Autism cases fell for those born in 1991-92 as uptake of the Japanese MMR vaccine fell and was withdrawn in 1992.

The authors failed to do what any scientist would have done. They failed to ask themselves “why?“. Why did autism rapidly increase for children born in 1993-94 and thereafter?

And there was something to compare against the MMR. Honda/Rutter did not use it.

The MMR was replaced with single measles and single rubella vaccines. These were given at or about at the same time. And also at the same time the overall vaccination rate in Japan was increased by 150%.

When this happened the autism rate increased in step.

Professor Rutter has close associations with the drug industry including GlaxoSmithKline. He was a paid expert witness on their behalf in the UK MMR vaccine damage litigation. That was not declared in the Honda/Rutter paper nor were any other potential conflicts of interest or statements of funding (about which see more below).

Professor Rutter is also one of the main prosecution witnesses in the witchhunt in the British General Medical Council against medical doctors Andrew Wakefield, Simon Murch and Professor Walker-Smith.

In addition Honda/Rutter missed another Japanese paper from 2003 – Takahashi – claiming the risk of autism could be between 5 and 9 times greater from single measles and rubella vaccines, so Honda/Rutter have no excuses for not considering this possibility and including the single vaccines as a control or comparison group:
•An Epidemiological Study on Japanese Autism concerning Routine Childhood Immunization History – Hiroshi Takahashi*, Syunsuke Suzumura, Fumiko Shirakizawa, Noriyuki Wada, Keiko Tanaka-Taya, Satoru Arai, Nobuhiko Okabe, Hironobu Ichikawa and Taizo Sato

Jpn. J. Infect. Dis., 56, 114-117, 2003

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/ ... vaxautism/
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