Discussions about Holistic Health and Alternative Medicine.
I would love to hear opinions from as many people as possible who would like to chime in concerning this person:
Please notice the headline:
swami ramdev Yoga cure CANCER hiv AIDS 100% and other
140 diseases without medicines. miracle of yoga.
Swami Ram Dev is far from a quack. He is one of the biggest authorities on Yoga
in the world and is a household name in India. He teaches Yoga for free in massive
camps in India, and around the world, and daily broadcasts to tens of millions of viewers.
You can watch free videos by him online giving classes on Yoga. He knows what he is talking about,
as hes trained in the tradition and learned from traditional masters.
Yoga is a superscience via which one can attain absolute mastery of the body and mind. Remember,
Prahlad Jani's case, he does not need to eat or drink. Prahlad Jani is one of countless yogis who have
have mastered the art of prana vidya(the science of prana)
Would you please answer the following question honestly:
If your child developed cancer, would you take your child to Swami Ramdev or to a licensed doctor? Again, please, answer truthfully....
I would make sure my child gets the best treatment available. So I would consult
all avenues. Anything that works. This means I would consult modern and alternative
health cares. However, as it is clear that modern healthcare has no cure for cancer,
and the best outcome I would want for my child would be a cure, I would look at something
which offers that and combine it with all existing treatments.
I think it is very myopic of you to put all your faith only in allopathic medicine.
Ayurveda and Cancer:
Vaidya Balendu Prakash says that the first state of cancer was incidentally treated by his father, the late Vaidya Chandra Prakash in 1960, under the guidance of his guru Maharaji who was a master of yoga and ayurveda. Though the late Vaidya had success, the sucess was inconsistent and wasn`t comprehended for many years. Later it was understood that batch variation in the medicine process was the main reason behind the inconsistency. After the death of his father in 1984, efforts were made to prepare the same medicines with proper documentation and these preparations were used on cancer patients. He used to spend more time in the preparation of medicines for he was convinced that the right type of preparation was the key to success.
To begin with, he started with the processing of mercury used in the formulation of `Valipani`. The entire processing of Shodhan (detoxification), Maran (grinding) and Jaran (heating) was done by him. The mercury so repared turned into white powder dust and `Valipani` was later on prepared adding the rest of the ingredients. This Valipani-86 was first used on Master Rajat Kalra, a forty-day old infant who had been diagnosed for acute leukemia at Moolchand Kharati Lal Hospital, New Delhi and at All India Instituyte of Medical Sciences, New Delhi. After receiving Vaidya Balendu`s ayurvedic treatment, the patient showed complete remission within forty days and he still leads a normal life.
Vaidya Balendu`s efforts paid off and the patient who became a landmark case in his life was Iqbal Bhan. He was diagnosed in 1982 for acute lymphoblastic leukemia at Royal Masdah Hospital, Sutton, London and was treated for three and a half years which included chemotherapy, radiation and autologous bone marrow transplantation. The patient relapsed within three months of transplantation and was given three weeks to survive. At this stage,Vaidya Balendu started his metal based ayurvedic transplantation which became a success story. Iqbal`s follow up bone marrow, blood report and general condition remain normal and he has now completed thirteen years of disease free survival.
In the same year another boy, Master Absar Khan was brought to Vaidya Balendu for treatment. He was diagnosed as the fourth reported case of acute megakaryoblastic leukemia at the Hospital for Sick Children, Great Armond Street, London. Prognosis was declared as poor and no treatment was rendered by conventional therapists at UK. The boy was treated with `Valipani` and showed complete recovery within a year.
The then Science and Technology Minister, Hon`ble K.R. Narayanan (currently President of India) heard these stories and tried to motivate Indian scientists and concerned Ministries. On his initiative, Prime Minister`s Office asked the Health Ministry to provide requisite support for further research. Unfortunately, no follow up actions were taken by these organizations. At this juncture, the Vaidya Chandra Prakash Cancer Research Foundation (VCPCRF) was set up by Vaidya Balendu in memory of his father. It was set up as a charitable trust to promote research on metal based formulations to develop the treatment and control of various forms of cancer, chronic inflammatory and immunological disorders.
In the last 15 years there were a number of cases who have been benefited by this approach. Such patients were declared as terminal with poor prognosis at various reputed hospitals in India and abroad. These metal based formulations have been found to be effective in the successful treatment of leukemia. In 1996 a pilot project was sanctioned by the Union Ministry of Health and Family Welfare to study the effects of metal based formulations in the treatment of Acute Pro-Myllotic Leukemia (APML) in 90 days. 15 patients were enroled in the study out of which 10 patients had shown a complete remission in peripheral blood.
This was the first time that the ayurvedic approach had achieved such an impressive success. This has also been confirmed by practitioners of the allopathic system of medicine. An ongoing effort is being made at RCC, Trivandrum, Kerela, India, where an indoor aurvedic unit has been set up with the help of the Kerela Government. Here, the treatment of cancer patients are being done with ayurvedic medicines and is being provided with proper documentation.
The finding of such studies was presented in the third conference of the International Conference of Oncology Network (ICON). Ayurvedic treatment has been acknowledged by the cancer experts and membership of ICON has been conferred for the first time to an ayurvedic practitioner in the regular group of cancer experts.
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Why do I never see the tiniest bit of doubt from you ? Oh Where oh where is this critical thinking you keep saying you have, but somehow fail to show---Oh Where oh where ?
Hi Indigo child!! Well stated. As is the norm with skeptic minds, they readily dismiss everything as "quack" and fraud if it stems from any branch of knowledge that is deeper and older than their 200 years old science. The real problem is not the science part. The real problem here is the skeptic part. For science has to be open.
Skeptics are not.
My question to these people is that - if the wheel is already invented, what's the use of not looking at it not accepting it but go and re-invent it from the start by putting uneven wooden logs in front of a load?! The load put usually by the skeptics is of Bull crap though!! lol
Yoga has been there for thousands of years. In my recent debate with a skeptic, he claimed that yoga is ok for relaxation but nothing more. The guy was closed to any other possibility. Swami Ramdev started off with little. He just started off with 4 basic pranayam exercises and expanded on. He kept a panel of doctors on board who checked the patients coming in before the camp and after the camp and they surely felt the difference and improvement in many of their health problems.
Western science primarily deals with the physical part of our existence. Yoga deals with both. Subtle systems have their own way of working. They are not a banana that you can get out of your pocket and "show". Yet you can show and Baba Ramdev has done just that. Of course his more senior yogi BKS Aiyanger has been doing that for so many years before that.
On a more subtle level yogis like Pramahansa Yogananda have transformed so many lives in the west and gave to people that inner satisfaction, lost love and contentment from life with a deeper meaning that science could never give. They were tired of playing with the toys that science provided them with, while their lives were in wreck. I'm happy to see so many western people find a newer meaning in their lives with yoga and esoteric teachings of India.
Many Indians are moving away from their roots. The traditional medicine in India has been very powerful.
Some other people say that Ayurveda is quack medicine. Its not true. Today science journals across Britain are writing about the benefits of Indian herb "Turmeric" more popularly known as 'Haldi' in Hindi. Indians have been using it in their cusines for centuries known its therapeutic and antiseptic usage. Not just in food, but it is also used in religious rituals in India. There are many systems of healing in India, besides the strictly medicinal part.
Let me tell you of an interesting incident that I came across very recently. A couple of months back I was returning to New Delhi from Mumbai (Bombay) after a retreat in the ashram of my senior Godbrother who is a mystic Guru. I got talking with the cabbie who was driving me to the airport on the way. It all started as I was biding farewell to the Guru, the cabbie also came forward and offered his obeisance to him. On the way he told me that these Gurus can be saviors at times. I asked why do you think so? He told me the following story - His who is just 10 years old is suffering from blood cancer has been undergoing blood transfusion and need to do that every 15 days. That is important for him to survive. But its a very very expensive procedure too. The guy sold all his 3 properties to save his son and keep him going through this process of modern medicine. Then he came across one such Guru who blessed him and told him to fee his son empty stomached only tomatoes every single day and stop all medicine! He can eat normal food around evening. This was suicidal and quack quack as per modern medicine. Usually his son's health starts getting bad if he doesn't give him the regular medication and doesn't do whole blood transfusion within 15 day period. But the guy followed through the advice of the Guru. I met him on the 10-11th day. He said his son hasn't taken any medicine, nor has he done any transfusion yet and his son is not showing any signs of deterioration. It started to look like he's not going to need the transfusion at that point. I didn't get to talk to the cabbie after that. But He was very enthusiastic about the whole thing. He thinks its only miraculous that his health is not deteriorating that is surviving only on expensive medicines on a daily basis and blood transfusion.
There have many such things in India that would look plain superstition to a normal western mind. Yet they are there. And there is no explanation to it.
So many things to name. People are scientific minded too, but they also leave the door open to other non-scientifically explainable situations too.
The religious scriptures do not advise to close down your intellect and mind. But there are also so many scientifically developed things by the Indian sages in the past who were scientists in their own right, that it becomes difficult to not accept them.
When I tell them of the knowledge that these ancient Indian sages put forth, they say something lame like "oh well they were fantasizing..."
One of my favorite things to ask these pseudo-skeptics science humpers is that - How come these sages knew of the existence of "Atom"???
Modern science has only discovered atom after the advent of electron microscope!! And its been pretty recent, if compared to the Indian ancient knowledge.
So? What is the skeptic answer to it?? They avoid going into places, where their ego doesn't get pampered. Simple.
The ancient Indian scriptures are full of extra terrestrial encounters. Not just that, but the sages could evoke and interact with these beings at will. Also travel to their planets. There were planes that could travel at the speed of light. There is a whole description by the name of "Vimana" (airplane) in the Vedas in various places. And there are detailed diagrams and blueprints of these. This was thousands of years back in India. Interestingly enough one of the Indian scientists decided to research into it deciding to make a analogical plane on the basis of these descriptions. He found that there was a special alloy use in the making of the plane that is not known to man now. He was successful in making that too. But his further research was hampered b the committee who okayed it and could provide further funding. Looks like they were the modern day skeptics in the committee. lol
The planes worked on solar and nuclear power with a play of electro-magnetic force within. They were soundless and very fast. They could be invisible to human eye. With special material that they were made of could absorb light and not reflect it back to be seen by people. There were possibilities.
Talking to another skeptic called the "Chemist" on the Scepcop administrator Winstonas' list last year, I mentioned some details of these Vimanas. His challenge was he can start believing any of this only if I can procure him a 10,000 years old motor/engine of that plane!
Now I don't have access to that of course. So we sort of stopped that discussion with him calling me naive. He said that your ancients imagined things.
In such details?? With such authenticity and knowledge?? Give me a break!!! They wrote details on plastic surgery back then!!
So many things were achieved back then. When u "invent" something again, you feel proud and don't want anyone else to have its credit before you!
The beautiful thing is that ancient Indian spiritual culture never was against science. It was very much a part of it. The rituals had a deeper/hidden scientific meaning and purpose to them. Every ritual had a meaning. and everything worked towards the betterment of human life. They were not only about external image and looks.
There is also an interesting study about these rituals in India.
Anyways, I think it would do good to bring together this ancient knowledge and modern science with a very open mind and research.
There are many people who actually have been doing this now for many years.
May I ask in return, who was Democritus?
Actually, the Indian philosophers were the first to propose the existence of atoms, long before Democritus. Moreover,
Democritus's atoms, which were most likely inspired by Indian philosophers, are nothing like modern atoms. In contrast,
the Indian atoms are much more closer to modern atoms. They state that atoms combine in pairs, then triples, foreshadowing
modern ideas like subatomic particles like quarks. They also knew that atoms only combine under certain conditions and mentioned
the main factor was energy was required to both break and form atomic bonds. They even know that states of matter like solid, liqiuid
and gasses were just atoms with different levels of energy. This is modern knowledge, Democritus knew nothing about this. They were
well aware of concepts like "atomic energy" as they knew that the atoms were very fundamental and created most of the universe. They knew
everything but space was atomic, and each element had a distinct atom. Light was thought to consist of light particles. They also gave descriptions
for chemical changes and explained why new properties arise, mentioning that the properties form due to parent particles.
I think you should look into Vedic physics, the physics is very similar to modern physics. Even their theories of mechanics are a dead
ringer for Newton. Such as the description of the movement of an arrow is explained in terms of force vectors(momentum energy and
Staying on the subject of medicine. What I find particularly remakable is the ancient Ayurvedic physician gave very detailed descriptions
of microbes and classified them into so many different types. What is particularly curious about this, he mentions that they cannot be seen
with the naked eye, but can be seen with instruments.
I think the more we look into the Vedic civilisation, the more we find just how advanced they are for an ancient culture. They are foreshadowing
the modern age in so many areas, and what is so ironic, they have better systems than modern people, especially in healthcare. My favourite example
of these systems, is their language systems, still are undoubtable the most scientifically advanced systems in the world, even in the age of computer
science.This lends credence to coolnwarm's point, of this civilisation being a super-civilisation, which possibly did have contact with ETs .
To be honest, I expect nothing less from a civilisation that gave us Yoga and Ayurveda. This was a superhuman civilisation. I would not be surprised
if Yoga and Ayurveda are advanced systems of healthcare being practiced on advanced planets in the universe.
You know it would be helpful for you to cite references every time you make declarations. I just don't trust your interpretation of the supposed facts you present.
What do you want references for? Many of the references I would give you are very specialised, and this
information would not be available online. You would have to go to libraries storing books on Indian philosophy,
the particular school you would be interested on reading up is known as Vaiseshika Darshana, meaning the school
of atomism by the sage Kanada in 600BCE.) This is the physical and empirical school of philosophy of the Vedic tradition,
and is the science behind Ayurveda. The principle doctrine of the Vaiseshika school is that the entire universe is made up
of a combination of atoms, which it defines as spherical points in space-time, whose combinations make up the empirical
evidence. They combine first as pairs, then as triplets under heat energy. They fundamental atoms are incredibly minute.
The first visible manifestation of the atomic aggregates are the motes one can see in a beam of light. The ideas of atoms
are pervasive throughout Indian philosophy, every tradition Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism speaks of them, and they are
found mentioned in the oldest of texts. They are not theoretical entities either, they are positively asserted to exist.
I looked online to see if I could find any articles on this subject. I found these
Regarding the classification of microbes in Ayurveda. I found this:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FGGX ... is&f=false
Yoga and Ayurveda are scientific systems. They are based on proper scientific theory(epistemology)
and empirical methods. There are literally thousands of texts written on them in the East, showing a constant development
of these sciences.
Perhaps you need to refine your google, as well as research skills:
The earliest references to the concept of atoms date back to ancient India in the 6th century BCE, appearing first in Jainism. The Nyaya and Vaisheshika schools developed elaborate theories of how atoms combined into more complex objects. In the West, the references to atoms emerged a century later from Leucippus, whose student, Democritus, systematized his views. In approximately 450 BCE, Democritus coined the term átomos (Greek: ἄτομος), which means "uncuttable" or "the smallest indivisible particle of matter". Although the Indian and Greek concepts of the atom were based purely on philosophy, modern science has retained the name coined by Democritus.
Since ancient times Indian philosophers believed that except Akash (ether), all other elements were physically palpable and hence comprised miniscule particles of matter. The last miniscule particle of matter which could not be subdivided further was termed Parmanu. The word Parmanu is a combination of Param, meaning beyond, and anu meaning atom. Thus the term Parmanu is suggestive of the possibility that, at least at an abstract level Indian philosophers in ancient times had conceived the possibility of splitting an atom which, as we know today, is the source of atomic energy. This Indian concept of the atom was developed independently and prior to the development of the idea in the Greco-Roman world. The first Indian philosopher who formulated ideas about the atom in a systematic manner was Kanada who lived in the 6th century B.C. Another Indian philosopher, Pakudha Katyayana who also lived in the 6th century B.C. and was a contemporary of Gautama Buddha, had also propounded ideas about the atomic constitution of the material world.
Sorry, it was not the Greeks. Atomism and Philosophy in general is much older than the Greeks.
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