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Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Survives Death?

PostPosted: 14 Jan 2014, 23:16
by Scepcop
Check out these interesting articles.

Scientists Claim That Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death
http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics. ... -at-death/

Does The Soul Exist? Evidence Says ‘Yes’
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/bio ... e-says-yes

A PAIR of world-renowned quantum scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul.
http://www.news.com.au/news/quantum-sci ... 6507686757

Re: Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Survives Death?

PostPosted: 20 Jul 2014, 14:01
by Emily
But they don't.

The first is merely propaganda for biocentrism - which is more a religious philosophy issue rather than a purely science on (it depends on fine-tuning arguments). As far as the science goes, he refers to a theory which has already been repeatedly and soundly disproven (see my response to article 3).

The second link twists articles to support their presupposed biocentrist view. For example, they report a misunderstanding of the slit experiment as truth. They even have the gall to use a work from 1926 as if it is current scientific theory. The only research article they included can be found in full here: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v2 ... s1263.html . It was also misconstrued. Yes, the particle tested was huge in comparison to most quantum theory research subjects, but that does not "[show] that quantum weirdness also occurs in the human-scale world" because 430 atoms isn't really in the human-scale world. The paper had NOTHING to do with souls, etc. Very, very big jump on the part of the writer for this biocentrist propaganda.


The third article is complete nonsense and obvious spin. They are in no way "quantum scientists" as the article claims. Hameroff is an anesthesiologist and a professor; Sir Roger Penrose is a mathematical physicist, and though Penrose may be considered "world renown," Hameroff certainly isn't. In fact, they are a bit of a joke now-a-days. Numerous physicists, mathematicians, neuroscientists, computer scientists, and more have disproved important aspects of their Orch-OR Theory. A FEW examples of the disproving, peer-reviewed and published articles can be found with the following information:

    Georgiev, D.D. (2007). "Falsifications of Hameroff–Penrose Orch OR model of consciousness and novel avenues for development of quantum mind theory". NeuroQuantology 5 (1): 145–174. doi:10.14704/nq.2007.5.1.121.

    Roger Penrose & Stuart Hameroff (2011). "Consciousness in the Universe: Neuroscience, Quantum Space-Time Geometry and Orch OR Theory". Journal of Cosmology 14.

    Reimers, Jeffrey R.; McKemmish, Laura K.; McKenzie, Ross H.; Mark, Alan E.; Hush, Noel S. (17 March 2009). "Weak, strong, and coherent regimes of Fröhlich condensation and their applications to terahertz medicine and quantum consciousness". PNAS 106 (11): 4219–4224. doi:10.1073/pnas.0806273106.

    Tegmark, Max (April 2000). "Importance of quantum decoherence in brain processes". Phys. Rev. E 61 (4): 4194. doi:10.1103/PhysRevE.61.4194.

    Koch, Christof; Hepp, Klaus (30 March 2006). "Quantum mechanics in the brain". Nature 440 (7084): 611. doi:10.1038/440611a.

    Hepp, K. (27 September 2012). "Coherence and decoherence in the brain". J. Math. Phys. 53 (9): 095222. doi:10.1063/1.4752474.

    Kikkawa, M., Metlagel, Z. (2006). "A molecular "zipper" for microtubules". Cell 127 (7): 1302–1304. doi:10.1016/j.cell.2006.12.009. PMID 17190594.

    F. J. Binmöller & C. M. Müller (1992). "Postnatal development of dye-coupling among astrocytes in rat visual cortex". Glia 6 (2): 127–137. doi:10.1002/glia.440060207.

I really do hate these media "interpretations" of science. I have never found one that was even remotely accurate.

Re: Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Survives Death?

PostPosted: 16 Jan 2015, 03:46
by Boo boo
Yeah believers and some (pseudo? ) skeptics will twist and distort things to fit their worldview. It's irritating! :x

Re: Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Survives Death?

PostPosted: 19 Mar 2015, 18:50
by wallstreeter43
Boo boo wrote:Yeah believers and some (pseudo? ) skeptics will twist and distort things to fit their worldview. It's irritating! :x

Especially the pseudo skeptics with their reliance on that soon to be ancient paradigm from the time of the dinosaurs that says the mind is the brain .
The media is still way behind but one day they will catch up ;)

Re: Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Survives Death?

PostPosted: 18 May 2016, 17:59
by paparoch
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