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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby SydneyPSIder » 23 Dec 2013, 20:45

God Freaks Self Out By Lying Awake Contemplating Own Immortality

THE HEAVENS—Sources close to God reported Thursday that the Creator of the Universe and Author of Our Eternal Salvation suffered a crippling bout of existential dread this week, lying awake all night as He pondered His own immortality.

According to reports, God then got up, put on His robes, and paced through the heavens, feeling a sense of dread in the pit of His stomach as He contemplated His overwhelming significance in the grand scheme of things.

Reasoning that He would be able to calm down if He just had something to take His all-knowing mind off everything, God reportedly read 1,000 books and created several million new nebulae, but sources said the Supreme Being’s thoughts inevitably returned to the inescapable fact that He is ultimately trapped for all eternity in the infinite expanse of the cosmos.

“F***, it’s already three in the morning,” continued God, forcing Himself to take several deep breaths. “I have so much to do tomorrow, and now I’m going to be exhausted.”

After returning to bed, the Almighty reportedly spent several minutes trying to get comfortable, first piling on blankets because He was cold, and later kicking them off because He grew too hot.

“Okay, calm down—I just need to get some shut-eye, that’s all,” said God, grabbing fistfuls of His long white hair as He tried to make Himself sleepy by counting clouds passing by overhead. “That’s one, two, three, four, five—five trillion years from now I’m still going to be here, for blank’s sake. Mine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory in this vast emptiness, this limitless black nothingness that goes on and on forever and ever and ever and there is no end and it will just be me, eternally alone, for all of time.”

“What is the point—I mean, seriously, what’s the point?” God added.

At press time, sources confirmed the Lord had fallen asleep after resolving that first thing in the morning He would create an immortal dog or cat to keep Him company for the rest of eternity

Just some humour. Back to normal transmission.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby pwil » 24 Dec 2013, 07:22

I myself do not believe in reincarnation. The calculations of past souls occupying present human vessels just doesn't add up. Let alone some religions believe you may even be reincarnated as a cockroach if you weren't a pleasant being in your past life.(Weren't cockroaches crawling around this planet before humans?) If that were the case, we would have an astronomic amount of souls inhabiting every creature on earth which I don't believe either.This would mean that a soul would lose it's intelligence going from a human to an insect based on our observance of their behaviors. Or does a soul even have an intelligence? It could just be some form conscious energy acting as a battery only being compatible to the organism's brain and/or instincts. Also, who's to say that earth contains the only life in the universe? Would souls be able to generate intergalactic species? I just don't know what we are. But I don't believe in reincarnation and I do believe that we contain our own individual soul and there is something after this life. Even though I have no proof, I have a strong gut feeling that drives me to believe this without involving any religion.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby Arouet » 25 Dec 2013, 01:16

pwil wrote:I myself do not believe in reincarnation. The calculations of past souls occupying present human vessels just doesn't add up.


I don't subscribe to reincarnation either. However, I don't think we can draw any conclusions about it based on the calaculations of past souls matchnig up with the number of humans today. There are any number of ways it could work, if true.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby pwil » 25 Dec 2013, 05:27

please explain arouet. There have never been about 7 billion people living at once before. ( Or at least never on record or ever estimated before) The discovery of fossilized bones would be at a much greater percentage if there ever was a time before the beginning of historical record keeping. Unless you are considering the soul being present in every organism on earth in which another species has been depleted or become extinct to account for the numbers. Or are you considering the possibility of the difference onto other extraplanetary lifeforms in which we cannot tally to make up for? But if you are just regarding to souls being transferred within mankind, how will your explanation work even 100 years from now when the population explodes due to the longevity of a human's lifespan becoming greater? Barring any major devastation due to plagues or wars. Hypothetically,"a peaceful and healthy 100 years" from now. I really am interested in your response and not being sarcastic in any way.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby pwil » 25 Dec 2013, 12:22

The only way I see that the belief of reincarnation could work is if there is an infinite amount of souls in a waiting line looking to inhabit a vessel. Who's to say that we don't ever hit 100 trillion throughout the universe.But that would mean we had to have many cutters in line that had already had their turn to occupy someone or something since people say they can account for a past life.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby pwil » 25 Dec 2013, 12:25

Or unless new ones could be made to accommodate the population growth.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby pwil » 25 Dec 2013, 12:38

One last thing for tonight to ponder, out of the almost 7 billion souls(for example just humans) that exist today, if only 1 billion people were alive tomorrow, where would the other 6 billion souls go for the mean time? I would like a believer in reincarnation explain his/her views on this question.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby Arouet » 25 Dec 2013, 14:44

pwil wrote:please explain arouet. There have never been about 7 billion people living at once before. ( Or at least never on record or ever estimated before) The discovery of fossilized bones would be at a much greater percentage if there ever was a time before the beginning of historical record keeping. Unless you are considering the soul being present in every organism on earth in which another species has been depleted or become extinct to account for the numbers. Or are you considering the possibility of the difference onto other extraplanetary lifeforms in which we cannot tally to make up for? But if you are just regarding to souls being transferred within mankind, how will your explanation work even 100 years from now when the population explodes due to the longevity of a human's lifespan becoming greater? Barring any major devastation due to plagues or wars. Hypothetically,"a peaceful and healthy 100 years" from now. I really am interested in your response and not being sarcastic in any way.


I'm saying there are any number of ways the system could work if reincarnation is true, including the possibilities you mention. Why assume it would have to be any one particular way? Why assume there are a fixed number of souls? Why assume souls would only be transferred amongst mankind? Why assume there aren't more souls than there are life forms on this planet? Or in the universe? Why make any assumptions at all?

Note that I don't believe in an afterlife, but accepting it for the sake of the argument.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby SydneyPSIder » 25 Dec 2013, 15:02

The only reason I believe in an afterlife is that I've seen and experienced personal compelling evidence of it, where no other alternative explanation or clever hoax etc was really possible, even applying a pseudosceptics level of denial.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby pwil » 25 Dec 2013, 21:23

Thank you for your responses and I welcome others. But I would like it to be known that I don't believe that my beliefs are the way it really is and must have to be. I have read articles and watched shows about how even young children can account for a past life in details of things they couldn't possibly been scripted on. I am just trying to fathom an understanding how this is possible and looking for some scenarios and hypotheses to help me view this subject at another angle. That is why I am asking a believer in reincarnation as to opposed to someone like me who leans towards no such thing. I have no explanation to how some people can refer to details and circumstances of someone's past life where documented or not can be performed. I personally tend to believe in one's own soul, regardless to any religion or faith, until evidence can disprove it. Is it not a possibility that these people can describe a past life by being informed of details by a spirit's soul without any awareness of its existence? Not quite like a medium in sense, since they claim that they are aware of a spirit's presence, but something along those lines.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Dec 2013, 11:27

pwil wrote:Thank you for your responses and I welcome others. But I would like it to be known that I don't believe that my beliefs are the way it really is and must have to be. I have read articles and watched shows about how even young children can account for a past life in details of things they couldn't possibly been scripted on. I am just trying to fathom an understanding how this is possible and looking for some scenarios and hypotheses to help me view this subject at another angle. That is why I am asking a believer in reincarnation as to opposed to someone like me who leans towards no such thing. I have no explanation to how some people can refer to details and circumstances of someone's past life where documented or not can be performed. I personally tend to believe in one's own soul, regardless to any religion or faith, until evidence can disprove it. Is it not a possibility that these people can describe a past life by being informed of details by a spirit's soul without any awareness of its existence? Not quite like a medium in sense, since they claim that they are aware of a spirit's presence, but something along those lines.

yes, that's pretty much my theory as expounded above. I think.
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Re: I'm a skeptic of any afterlife

Postby AlbertoGraber » 29 Aug 2016, 09:52

A personal view on the subject of the Afterlife
FYI I have considered myself an atheist ever since I was 17,basically,I could not at the time conciliate the world that I saw around me and the existence of an all powerful,and above all,"loving" God,"looking after us".This is,in a few words, exactly what I feel right now.However,I have been glancing through the sciences,especially Quantum Physics,for many years,and then I looked into psychiatry,meditation,psychedelic experiences,NDEs,Hinduism,etc., and what has been researched on paranormal phenomena mainly in the 19th and 20th century,and I felt I had no choice,but to accept,against my best judgement,the real posibility of an afterlife.But then,I do not understand it neither I particularly like it,it is just the way the universe looks to me.My "convictions" ,I have to say,can change at any time.In short,I believe evolution is a basic process in the universe and my best bet (and it is just that, a bet) is that the afterlife is a part of it,and most likely,also reencarnation.Sorry that in a forum like this I can not go more deeply into why I think this way,but I am willing to share whatever I personally consider as credible evidence on the afterlife with anybody in this forum.
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