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How to prove Life after Death

Postby Jayhawker30 » 22 Jan 2012, 20:27

Check it out, you get a whole bunch of people who have been blind since birth. Take them to a hospital. Stop all of their hearts. Bring them back and have them tell you what they experienced.

If those that recall an NDE give accurate details about their surroundings during the time they were "dead", then congratulations! You've made one of the greatest discoveries in human history since sliced bread. Get rich and grow fat.
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Arouet » 22 Jan 2012, 22:17

Theres a large study right now going on studying NDEs (not deliberately induced of course!) called the AWARE study.

Some blind people have reported vision during NDEs FWIW.
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Jayhawker30 » 23 Jan 2012, 09:36

Arouet wrote:Some blind people have reported vision during NDEs FWIW.


I imagine it would be worth quite a lot, but much more so if what they see can be verified.
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Craig Browning » 23 Jan 2012, 12:28

There's been a ton of "verification" by such people but the naysayers love to turn what's been said, into a logic puzzle or negate what these people claim as being "misremembering" or some kind of subconscious recollection, etc.

The problem comes in the fact that there's not PHYSICAL way by which to prove the NDE that critics will accept for any number of reasons, including the fact that they can't replicate something 1,001 times or learn how to exploit the technique and in turn, have the military complex steal it for their purposes.
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Suzanne » 24 Jan 2012, 08:33

In the Holy Bible, there are passages reflecting life after death e.g. St. John 5:24 (AV). In our present state of existence, here on earth, will it ever be proved? Everyone seeks to understand and everyone’s perspective is varied in character on this subject. As for me, I do not believe that proof will come. Still, man tries because it’s our nature. Further Biblical insight in Matt. 12:38-45; Luke 11:16, 29-32; John 14: 2-3; 1 Cor. 15:42-54; 2 Cor. 12:2-4.

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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Arouet » 24 Jan 2012, 09:38

I hear God approves of spam when its accompanied by biblical quotes.
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby diddyp333 » 24 Jan 2012, 16:59

The problem I think is that with all the technological advances in this day and age you can pretty much disapprove anything....photos are easily tampered with etc etc we know more about the brain than ever before and people just don't trust other people anymore! the aware project I think will give a negative result, if people do have nde,s they are hardly likely to be able to read or see an object they didn't know they were meant to be seeing high above them...even so even if they do affirm the characters pics etc there are so many ways it can be debunked! Here's an idea...how about you stop all the hearts of 25 hard nosed skeptics including randi and see if any of them report anything..you never know!
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Craig Browning » 25 Jan 2012, 01:24

Arouet wrote:I hear God approves of spam when its accompanied by biblical quotes.


No, no. . . it's got to be Bible Quotes + Eggs & Hashbrowns
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby BizKey » 18 Feb 2012, 22:02

Can the story of life after death be explained by he parable of Lazarus he beggar and the rich man? Both died right?
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Craig Browning » 20 Feb 2012, 00:33

BizKey wrote:Can the story of life after death be explained by he parable of Lazarus he beggar and the rich man? Both died right?


Let's stop leaning on the divine suppository please, it's not based on facts but legend & parables (most of which were borrowed from far older resources).

NDE's in nearly every culture follow the same two patterns; people that have lived an honest and selfless mode of life tend to have the white light and the sensation of overwhelming love that is sometimes inclusive of a cultural-religious iconography such as witnessing Angels, a Deity or Saint, etc. On the other side of the coin, people the "know" (be it consciously or subconsciously) that they live a selfish and self-destructive course in life tend to find themselves in utter darkness and racked with fear and sense of true anguish. Again, cultural-religious influences may be part of this encounter such as seeing some great evil entity, lake of fire or even the visions of Dante's little side-trip.

I believe that part of what one experiences during an NDE is very much a part of our consciousness/conscience; the theory being that these memories and associations surface as part of the dying process just as some speak of "their life flashing before their eyes" which seems to occur well before the dying process actually begins. BUT I also believe that a big side to the NDE process has a "higher meaning" -- for some of us it's a cosmic pat on the back and for others a dire warning. When we look at how the lives of those testifying about their own NDE and how the majority of them start walking a more devoted sense of "religious" life; especially so when it comes to those that have the darker encounters, the transformation being stark and near immediate.

As I've stated, it's going to be a long while before sufficient data is collected and proven acceptable by the bulk of the scientific and analytical community comes about, maybe another century or two given how hell-bent certain folks are when it comes to destroying any and all aspects of faith/religion and human spirituality in exchange for the cold pragmatism of Vulcan we seem to be running towards. :?
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Suncross74 » 20 Feb 2012, 06:40

When is this AWARE project supposed to be completed? And what are the specs on it? Are they using a sufficiently large group? This should be quite interesting.

Another, easier test would just be to round up blind astral projectors. I'm sure they exist. Just sit them in a room, put something in a room next to them on a table, something easy to remember but definitely unique, like an orange vase with blue flowers in it or something, and have them report it.

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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Craig Browning » 21 Feb 2012, 02:19

Some of the best clairvoyant types assigned to history have been blind, there are legends that go back thousands of years in which the mystic/seer was blind and yet seen as a prophet. Some biblical historians have even suggested the John of Patmos was blind (the guy that wrote Revelations).

I was involved with a group in San Jose that was working with a group of blind young people (14-30 years in age), teaching them meditation and mental projection techniques. The results were quite fascinating in that these people could name the color of ribbons or feathers, etc. sealed inside envelops after focusing on them for a few minutes. One young lady became a painter, delivering some very impressive landscape paintings which I believe to be on the market still, selling at a rather good price. In other words, what you propose has been done within the Psychic community itself, this particular experiment being conducted by the Alpha Consciousness group headed by Bro. Anthony Penera and I want to say it was U.C. Berkly that was involved but I'm probably wrong on that, it's been a while and me brain cells are misfiring. :oops: But even Helen Kellar claimed to know colors by touch. . .
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby ProfWag » 21 Feb 2012, 04:26

Craig Browning wrote: :oops: But even Helen Kellar claimed to know colors by touch. . .

No she didn't Craig. Perhaps this was the story you remember, but translated differently:
"Some of them asked odd questions. A lady seemed surprised that I loved flowers when I could not see their beautiful colors, and when I assured her I did love them, she said, "no doubt you feel the colors with your fingers." But of course, it is not alone for their bright colors that we love the flowers...."
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby Craig Browning » 21 Feb 2012, 23:17

Not the story I heard, and I was told by a lady who remember Ms. Kellar visiting their home when she was a girl. But that's aside the point, many a person that were completely blind from birth (big difference between "Legally" blind and "Completely" blind) have proven it possible to denote color and frequently, shape from a distance, without touching it. The catch is, they haven't all allowed scientist torture them at infinite levels of invasion to deliver the level of documentation that the faux skeptics will accept. Hopefully the research being done at present will deliver some kind of definitive.
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Re: How to prove Life after Death

Postby ProfWag » 22 Feb 2012, 01:26

Craig Browning wrote:Not the story I heard, and I was told by a lady who remember Ms. Kellar visiting their home when she was a girl. But that's aside the point, many a person that were completely blind from birth (big difference between "Legally" blind and "Completely" blind) have proven it possible to denote color and frequently, shape from a distance, without touching it. The catch is, they haven't all allowed scientist torture them at infinite levels of invasion to deliver the level of documentation that the faux skeptics will accept. Hopefully the research being done at present will deliver some kind of definitive.

My initial thought is that it would be a very easy test to determine if a blind person can denote color.
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