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Re: Eteponge I need your help!

Postby Arouet » 18 Oct 2010, 21:40

Craig Browning wrote:I'm a firm believer in NDE's and Out of Body situations... I actually teach a workshop on Astral Travel but one of the things I point out to every student is that the starting point to it all is MENTAL PROJECTION it has nothing to do with silver chords, spirituality, mysticism, etc. it's simply allowing your mind to drift and move along a focused sense of journey, literally letting your own imagination open certain doors of insight to you... very much a waking type of dream.


This is a bit vague. I'm not clear whether you consider Astral Travel to be just a cool mind trick or whether you believe you can have veridical information about things occurring in other places, out of the line of site, etc.
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Re: Eteponge I need your help!

Postby Craig Browning » 19 Oct 2010, 01:13

Arouet wrote:
Craig Browning wrote:I'm a firm believer in NDE's and Out of Body situations... I actually teach a workshop on Astral Travel but one of the things I point out to every student is that the starting point to it all is MENTAL PROJECTION it has nothing to do with silver chords, spirituality, mysticism, etc. it's simply allowing your mind to drift and move along a focused sense of journey, literally letting your own imagination open certain doors of insight to you... very much a waking type of dream.


This is a bit vague. I'm not clear whether you consider Astral Travel to be just a cool mind trick or whether you believe you can have veridical information about things occurring in other places, out of the line of site, etc.


BOTH!

History distant and recent can lend validation to some limited instances of "bi-location"; distant history attributes this ability to a handful of Saints and Monastic type characters and not just within the Christian auspices of purview; Atheus of Proconnesus (referenced by Agrippa, Pliny and others); Harman Clazomenius (according to Plutarch); Hector Durville (a 19th Century French Scientist); Oliver Fox & Sylvan Muldoon's experiments "Across the Atlantic"; and of course there is the research done by Dr. Robert Crookall and others.

Possibly the most famous demonstration of Bi-Location was Emmanuel Swedenborg, a noted Swedish Mystic who, while at a party in Goteborg (in 1759) witness a tremendous fire in Stockholm some 300 miles away... as the eye-witnesses put it, at roughly 6 pm Swedenborg suddenly became agitated and told the guests about the fire.

Earnest Hemingway, and other authors including Richard Bach of Jonathan Livingston Seagull fame have all reported OBE type experiences. I bring up Bach, not only because of my own experiences around the man in conjunction to his book ILLUSIONS, but because of the story associated with J.L. Seagull and a WWII flight crew that had a plane called "the Seagull" with a pilot/Captain named Jonathan Livingston... the parallels between the real life captain and plane and the beloved story about the seagull that wanted to be more than a mere scavenger, are most uncanny. The theory (according to Bach) is that he somehow was "told" the story while on the Astral plane (not to be confused with the aforementioned aircraft :mrgreen: )

My personal work & experience in this area comes from experiences in my youth as well as ritualistic experiences as a young adult living in L.A. studying with a Hopi based group. My study and experiences in Shamanic ritual is what helped me to see things from the more critical positions noted in my previous post; perspectives that would later be validated by scientific research but only in part. Science has still failed to "fully" explain away all of it, which is why I keep insisting "there's more to it..." ;)
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Re: Eteponge I need your help!

Postby Arouet » 19 Oct 2010, 02:40

Ok, I was wondering if you thought you could do it and that's what you taught. I'm not terribly interested in centuries old accounts- they are very difficult to authenticate. For someone to claim to be able to do it today, I can think of a simple controlled test to test it, but I don't think you're claiming you can do that so...
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Re: Eteponge I need your help!

Postby Craig Browning » 20 Oct 2010, 04:45

I have had Astral experiences, yes. But I cannot teach anyone Astral Projection, only the mental aspect of it and the techniques they can work with for moving the next step. As I said, it is very rare that anyone accomplishes it more than a couple of times in their whole life and even more rare for most to learn how to do it "on command" like some trained poodle ... or do you prefer lab rats? :twisted:
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