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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby ProfWag » 24 Mar 2010, 04:21

Kevin Kane wrote:The point is that Carl Sagan died without immune functionality because of the treatment. The first stage of the treatment, the 'lethal dose' of chemo, was to totally disable the immune system, allowing for the transplant of bone tissue from his sister to be accepted by the body. The second stage of chemo is the suppress the growth of all fast growing tissue. He did this 3 times, the final treatment included radiation therapy.

All chemo and radiation patients face similar complication. Chemo can permanently damage the immune system. It can leave the person sterile or susceptible to other cancers.

The hard truth is that even if Carl Sagan was completely cured of cancer, his immune system was destroyed by the treatment and he died as a result of it.

Okay. So, if you got his cancer would you take the treatment and possibly get better or would you not take the treatment and definitely die? I'm not sure I see any other choice. I guess there could be some experimental treatments out there that one would be willing to try. Not me, but perhaps some people.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 24 Mar 2010, 04:42

Notice that Sagan tried 3 times. He didn't die on the first try. He had a form of the disease which is nearly impossible to deal with and yet he was strong enough to try 3 times.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 24 Mar 2010, 04:45

A long time ago medicine learned that case studies are junk. The difference between individuals in a population is amazing. That is why case studies were abandoned long ago. To point to one example of a treatment and make a claim about the treatments is a long abandoned practice. It's considered a naive practice.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 24 Mar 2010, 05:40

Except the case study happens to be a famous skeptic and beloved scientist who wanted to live, who spent a lot of money on his treatments, who believed in, and preached faith in science and medicine. What would he say today? What would he preach today if he were alive?

And while this is a case study, the group studies of the consequences of chemo and radiation therapy reflect similar patterns of lethal consequences. I'll be posting some eventually.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 24 Mar 2010, 05:51

Except the case study happens to be a famous skeptic and beloved scientist who wanted to live, who spent a lot of money on his treatments, who believed in, and preached faith in science and medicine. What would he say today? What would he preach today if he were alive?

And while this is a case study, the group studies of the consequences of chemo and radiation therapy reflect similar patterns of lethal consequences. I'll be posting some eventually.


The except doesn't matter. It's still a case study. Let's see some modern studies.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 24 Mar 2010, 06:39

Context, ND, is like a map of reality. You are at a board that analyzes and criticizes the nonsense of skeptics. You are in a thread about Carl Sagan. We are discussing Carl's public medical history and his faith and advocacy in the treatments .. which caused his death.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 24 Mar 2010, 10:35

Actually you have no evidence about the cause of death. You have Kevin nonsense-drivel for the most part.

So where are the studies you were going to post?
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 24 Mar 2010, 12:55

Carl Sagan died?

Prove it!
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 24 Mar 2010, 13:07

... while this is a case study, the group studies of the consequences of chemo and radiation therapy reflect similar patterns of lethal consequences. I'll be posting some eventually.

So where are the modern studies?
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby highflyertoo » 25 Mar 2010, 03:47

I always thought Carl was about to meet the Martians sometime soon.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 25 Mar 2010, 09:24

Maybe Carl is still alive. Has anyone checked his coffin? He could be like Schrodinger's cat. With the money he paid for his treatments, he could have been buried on Mars.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 25 Mar 2010, 09:29

Are you going to post some studies?
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 25 Mar 2010, 10:56

I was told not to feed the trolls.

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 25 Mar 2010, 11:23

I'll be posting some eventually.

Still waiting.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby highflyertoo » 25 Mar 2010, 11:37

Kevin Kane wrote:I was told not to feed the trolls.

http://disc.420chan.org/sagan/src/1268808701324.jpg


I think you're correct about him stalking you. He called me many names such as sucking scumbag and lots more and the Mods gave him a pat on the bum,I mean pat on the back for it...

So now I see the style of skepticism those people have been indoctrinated by.......


Yes Kevin, I thought Carl was KOOKSTER after watching his hourly series back in the early eighties. And Chemo probably was a contributing factor to his death. Some people do believe in avoiding Chemo to have a better quality of remaining life.
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