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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 May 2010, 19:22

NucleicAcid wrote:Pretty much. And no one here really has any intent on changing their worldviews (though I would give up on psi if I felt the evidence was drying up), which is ironic to the purpose of this website.

My views and perceptions have been altered by this forum but not changed. I thank you all for that.
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby really? » 04 May 2010, 20:54

Let's just suppose for a second that levitation does occur. What prevents any individual from flying off the face of the planet ?
To rephrase the question: Why does levitation stop short of just mere inches to maybe a couple of feet ? Pondering the implication of these two questions should lead one to consider the default position of skepticism that levitation is probably unlikely.
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 May 2010, 23:09

That is a good question. Perhaps you would like to start a fresh thread so as not to have this lost under this heading?
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 04 May 2010, 23:13

really? wrote:Let's just suppose for a second that levitation does occur. What prevents any individual from flying off the face of the planet ?
To rephrase the question: Why does levitation stop short of just mere inches to maybe a couple of feet ? Pondering the implication of these two questions should lead one to consider the default position of skepticism that levitation is probably unlikely.


sorry
i am to busy looking for santa claus on googlemaps and catching fairies in my backyard
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 May 2010, 23:41

ciscop wrote:sorry i am to busy looking for santa claus on googlemaps and catching fairies in my backyard

But obviously not too busy to post snarky responses on this thread.
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 05 May 2010, 00:46

You are right..
at reareading what he wrote...

really? wrote:Let's just suppose for a second that levitation does occur. What prevents any individual from flying off the face of the planet ?.


Is called Gravity


Owned!
you should quit while you are behind


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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NinjaPuppy » 05 May 2010, 02:45

I read what he wrote and it is logical that IF levitation was possible, asking " Why does levitation stop short of just mere inches to maybe a couple of feet ?" is another point to ponder. Especially since being able to levitate someone even 1/4 of an inch affects the law of gravity.
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 05 May 2010, 03:38

IF???!!

how about because there´s no such a thing as levitation?
but there´s many ways of faking it,
that´s why is only a few inches above the ground?

also.. i dont know how you can use LOGICAL and LEVITATION in the same sentence...
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NinjaPuppy » 05 May 2010, 04:06

It's an "IF" question. Some point to ponder...... just like-

"If a man says something in the forest, and there's no woman around to hear; is he still wrong?"
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 05 May 2010, 04:14

touche!

nice one NP
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NucleicAcid » 07 May 2010, 22:13

ciscop wrote:IF???!!

how about because there´s no such a thing as levitation?
but there´s many ways of faking it,
that´s why is only a few inches above the ground?

also.. i dont know how you can use LOGICAL and LEVITATION in the same sentence...


Sure there is. Apply a high voltage to a rig made from thin pieces of aluminum, and it'll levitate. Maglevs have levitation right in their name.

Oh, sorry, we're talking about PARANORMAL levitation. Does it make a difference? No, because as Scepcop wrote in the other thread, it either exists, and is in some sense ordinary, or it doesn't exist, and it just doesn't exist.

I'm sure if you told people in 1900s that eventually trains would go 300mph held aloft by an invisible force field, they'd tell you to put down the H.G. Wells books and come back to reality.

How do we as humans have any right to say what is impossible, when we haven't even figured out all of the subatomic particles? Not to mention baryogenesis, black hole information paradox, what caused the big bang in the first place, etc.

As for the comment of "why feet, not inches," it's possible it might have started out small, but then quickly led to higher flights due to some sort of positive feedback loop. What would have prevented him from rocketing up into space is thinking, "Oh crap oh crap too high!" and disrupting whatever was causing the levitation in the first place.
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 07 May 2010, 22:45

this has nothing to do with technology
thats a bad analogy
this has to do with denying a fundamental of nature's interaction< GRAVITY
believers dont go to grammar school?

this has to do more with searching for the philosopher's stone, the elixir of life and turning anything into gold
thats the actual analogy, not technology, but searching for something that doesnt exist


scescop by the way posts info about a shapeshifting lizards and bigfoot,
so i wouldnt quote him unless is for having fun
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby jakesteele » 16 Aug 2010, 02:00

My thread seems to have gone sideways from its original intent. I just want to know if people like this idea or not. I want to award it to people like Nickell for levitation, Plait for his idiotic spiel about how amateur astronomers overwhelming look at the sky more than anyone and yet they don't report sightings. Basically, it would be for the weakest, most ludicrous attempt at debunking.

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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby Arouet » 16 Aug 2010, 04:19

jakesteele wrote:My thread seems to have gone sideways from its original intent. I just want to know if people like this idea or not. I want to award it to people like Nickell for levitation, Plait for his idiotic spiel about how amateur astronomers overwhelming look at the sky more than anyone and yet they don't report sightings. Basically, it would be for the weakest, most ludicrous attempt at debunking.

Any thoughts?


Sure, have awards for weak debunking, why not?


by the way, re: the pk wheel, hasn't that been pretty soundly shown to be as a result of heat from the hands?
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