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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 27 Apr 2010, 10:59

well

i honestly hope you get that ability (or anyone else)
but i highly doubt it, not because of my thoughts on tk
but because you dont even practice at all
2 times in a 2 months??... common!..
you are not even trying!
what´s up with that?

which makes me thing, deep down, even you believe is bunk.
if ill take a guess..
you wanna keep selfdeceiving yourself cherry picking the lucky times it moved
is gotta be awful sitting there ¨concentrating¨ on moving the psiwheel while nothing happens
do it the uri geller way and get a magnet and be done with it

let´s play disney´s SPAM BLOCK role here:
so why arent you practicing? what keeps you from doing it? when do you plan to get good at it? 5years? 10years? never?
as nerdy as it sounds, i practice card sleights for hours, if i believe tk was real and all the world told me how dumb my passion was i would be practicing every day, not only to prove them wrong, but because i get a lot of fun of practicing and getting good at something..

but well.. you have admited the psi wheel could move alone.. so..
at least i hope you get good at self deceiveing yourself
go Nuke go! :mrgreen:

by the way
i also have witnessed some ubelievable tk stuff
my wallet, my keys or my watch always end up in different places in my house
i can almost swear i put them on the same spot i always left them.. but they
end up in the garage, the front door or over the aquarium
i can do this stunt on the mornings exclusively.. while i am waking up with a hangover...
i could give the jref a run for their money
but those cheap bastards wont paid the pub bills the night before the challenge
so i am currently looking for a sponsor :lol:
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NucleicAcid » 27 Apr 2010, 11:47

While I think the JREF would find your "blackout teleportation" phenomena hilarious, I don't think it's that "paranormal."

I don't have much time to practice because I have a lot of school work and I'm rather scattered most of the time and it usually takes me a good half hour just to settle down, and I'll usually practice for an hour. You are right, I should practice more.

The thing about cherry picking the lucky times it moves is that I consciously look for this, and won't give myself credit unless I know it was a significant movement. The one thing that pisses me off is people that very clearly have wind currents or something and trick themselves into thinking it's telekinesis.

I usually practice with two identical wheels and go for targeted control, that way distributing any environmental factors so that they should affect both pretty evenly. I also use mini-wind-socks and vibration detectors to make sure there are no forces. I told you, I'm really scientific about the whole matter. I've moved it twice under containment, but it is psychologically a lot harder.

The problem with practice is I have to really kick my ass in order to get myself to do any sort of routine. Running, working out, doing my homework on time, meditating, TK, it all lasts about 2 weeks, and I just forget to keep doing it. Weird quirk that my brain has. But this is rather important to me, as it gives me reason to think this whole thing isn't a load of crock, and even if it isn't real, at least it's a good focus training aid XD (my focus is erratic...it's either way diffuse, or locked on to something and I can't change it).
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 27 Apr 2010, 13:52

well...

Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration.
Thomas A. Edison

get into that psiwheel thing
that excuse of "not training" is getting old

if you achieve that youll change the way the world thinks
but.. nah.. who wants to do that? is way better to debate with skeptics that want to burst your bubble
right? yes!. that will show them! :lol:
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NucleicAcid » 27 Apr 2010, 20:34

Yawn. I'm getting a little bored of this forum anyways. It's a little lame when there are like...5 active people and people mostly insult each other. >.>
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ProfWag » 27 Apr 2010, 20:44

NucleicAcid wrote: I have also seen numerous other objects, such as pens, dumbbells, geiger counters, magazines, and some other things move (or be forced to stay still) in ways that are inexplicable, after controlling for as many mundane variables as possible. I also have one pretty cool story of a chandelier spinning wildly, with a few hundred witnesses.

Did I read this right that you've seen dumbbells be forced to stay still? Incredible! ;-)
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 28 Apr 2010, 01:38

lets see...
Nucleic, Nostradamus, ProfWag, NP and me..
i think that´s it

scescop comes every once in a while to post overhyped youtube videos that are way to boring to see

before we had kevin kane and h2
but a moderator banned them

personally i prefer having more people
we are not on the moment to have the luxury of banning people
but well..
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NucleicAcid » 28 Apr 2010, 04:38

Pretty much. And no one here really has any intent on changing their worldviews (though I would give up on psi if I felt the evidence was drying up), which is ironic to the purpose of this website.
Hey, you there. Yes, you. Read more journal articles.

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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ProfWag » 28 Apr 2010, 20:34

NucleicAcid wrote:Pretty much. And no one here really has any intent on changing their worldviews (though I would give up on psi if I felt the evidence was drying up), which is ironic to the purpose of this website.

I would change my view at the snap of a finger if evidence pointed to the existance of psi. I'm constantly searching and hoping.
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 29 Apr 2010, 00:04

me too
but somehow i think i do have higher standars than believers
for me a pen falling is not a sign of tk for example
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ProfWag » 29 Apr 2010, 01:34

ciscop wrote:me too
but somehow i think i do have higher standars than believers
for me a pen falling is not a sign of tk for example

You're right ciscop, it's not. But if you had a dumbbell that didn't move when you told it not to, then we might be on to something...
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 29 Apr 2010, 04:41

definetly!!!

of course if i wanted to give the impression i could do that
(not saying thats the only way, but that would be my solution)
i would use this baby
http://www.outlaw-effects.com/store/gol ... arted.html
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby jakesteele » 01 May 2010, 11:32

NucleicAcid wrote:Clearly, you don't use critical thinking to a full enough extent if you think that just because levitation occurs in a Christian context, then all the rest of Christian Lore must be true. It's the ole silly fallback of skeptics, "Well, if X paranormal thing is real, then Santa Claus, faeries, unicorns, bigfoot, and aliens must also be true." And they accuse the "woo-woos" of jumps of logic.

Let's break it down.

You have multiple (hundreds) of reports of this guy levitating. The mechanism that seems to trigger these occurrences seems essentially identical to those described in Hindu, Muslim, and Buddhist accounts of levitation. People in those times were simple and uneducated, but that doesn't mean they were retarded. They would still know the difference between someone doing a somersault onto an alter, and straight up hovering above a crowd. Additionally, while sometimes transcendental states can lead to unusual physical activity, they are most often "spaced out," and the faculties to perform complex athletic activities would not have been there.

(On the note of these experiences being reported across cultures, it is unlikely that the mechanism is purely Christian in nature at all)

The only reason the athleticism argument holds any water is because (ostensibly) levitation is impossible. It is not an ontologically solid argument and is a far cry from explaining away the testimonials. (pseudo)Skeptics do this thing where as soon as they get a shred of evidence based on known principles that explains even the smallest fraction of the phenomenon, they use that to explain the whole thing away. It would be simple enough to test this. Bring a really advanced gymnast to an isolated tribe, and have them perform feats, then have a magician do a self-levitation six feet in the air, and see if they can tell the difference. "Simple peoples" often make up for their lack of advanced cognition with a very solid understanding of the few things they do know, such as physical motion.

He would have been much better off and avoided putting his foot in his mouth if he just chalked it up to a tall tale. At least that's more plausible. But he tried to confabulate his own silly mechanism that makes little sense, and for that, I think he deserves a Bundy Award.

I totally agree that if you investigate a phenomena and find that new information does not support the old assumption, you should overthrow the archaic idea in favor of the modern one. However, why should there be a double standard for materialists? If their explanations also fail to support their hypothesis, it fails to support the hypothesis! It's that easy.

In this situation, the skeptic fails handily to debunk the phenomena. However, since no scientists were there, we will never know if it were a real phenomenon. Nonetheless, it says firmly rooted in the "possible" category, rather than the "debunked" or "explained away category.

And I'm going to make an intuitive hunch and say that now ciscop is going to come up with some weak ridicule and pitiful, uncapitalized rhetoric of how foolish I am, all the while basing the whole of his argument on appeal to authority (Science, with a big S, as opposed to science) and belief and confirmation biases. Without any evidence to support his precariously cantilevered statements.


Man, I've got to hand it to you, that was an extremely well written response. I'm saving it for future use. Poor old Ciscop doesn't have much of a rational come back, does he?
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby jakesteele » 01 May 2010, 11:43

ciscop wrote:hahahahaha oh man.. so much hate from believers
and then they said randi is the hateful one

by the way i didnt meant to say you believe christian mythology i just said
you wanna ride that wave because it goes against skeptical thinking

i speak 4 languages
how many do you speak sir?
my toefl ibt was 115-120 by the way
:lol:

go and read radin
and eat some intentional chocolate
it will get you in a better mood :lol:
afterwards train with your psiwheel
i am pretty sure i can get into a maraton before you can start to move stuff with your mind
lets face, if it was possible, ill be in science books.. since the only ones doing are selfdeceived.. well.. it remains in the paranormal world (another word for.. NOT REAL or in your case just pure imagination)



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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby ciscop » 02 May 2010, 01:41

????

dude
you are the one that says a monk can fly

who´s the one behind?
im sure it isnt me
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Re: Flying Pigasus/Stundie awards

Postby NucleicAcid » 04 May 2010, 11:26

Thank you, Jake. :)
Hey, you there. Yes, you. Read more journal articles.

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