06 Oct 2011, 02:36
06 Oct 2011, 04:41
Craig Browning wrote:Exsqueeze me?
I get $125.00 an hour for sessions or $45.00 for 20-minutes. I think you'll find that's closer to standard fare these days, with exception to the newbies and desperate. . . then again, the economy is getting so bad I may have to cut my fees (again). Of course, I only charge top dollar when I know it's someone that's just curious or wanting some amusement. Rarely, when there is a real issue happening, do I ever charge anything close to outrageous (typically barter) for people in actual need.
06 Oct 2011, 04:50
Craig Browning wrote:As to all those nasty things listed above that psychics are "known for" you can't point to a single industry that the same kinds of things can't be said about, especially when it comes to the world of finance and big $$$ -- same horse, different color.
06 Oct 2011, 09:04
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06 Oct 2011, 10:29
06 Oct 2011, 12:50
craig weiler wrote:Arouet,
Maybe instead of getting yourself all worked up, you should just hang out at a psychic fair for a day and find out what actually happens instead of all this nonsensical spouting about licensing and regulation.
The reason no one regulates this industry is that so little ever goes wrong. Skeptics go nuts whenever some scam artist bilks someone for a few thousand to remove a curse, but these are too rare for police or legislatures to get worked up about. They live in the real world and deal with real problems. (I think there is one town on the East Coast that is contemplating regulating psychics.) Outright frauds are extremely rare when matched against the entire industry; And when have you ever heard of someone getting bad counseling from a psychic? It isn't even an issue.
This is what I mean by you speaking with absolute certainty about something you know nothing about.
06 Oct 2011, 13:11
You think psychics haven't been regulated because things so rarely go wrong? I'm not sure how you justify that or how you even are able to evaluate the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of psychic counselling except annecdotally. Who is measuring whether things go wrong for many people (such people will simply not go back to the psychic.)
A counsellor is in a position of trust over vulnerable patients: protections should be put in place.
06 Oct 2011, 18:41
craig weiler wrote:You seem very certain about the need to regulate the counseling, but you understand nothing about what is actually going on. I mean, why don't you guys ever ask us about this stuff? We know a whole lot more about psychics than you do.
06 Oct 2011, 20:11
craig weiler wrote:When I say that things rarely go wrong, I mean wrong. If I meant ineffective I would say ineffective. Where are the people who have felt violated by psychics?
A counselor might indeed be in a position of trust over a vulnerable patient, but psychics don't have patients, they have clients. And the clients know that. Psychics are not authority figures and don't carry the same gravitas as a psychologist. The clients don't feel obliged to take them at their word. It's a different relationship.
You seem very certain about the need to regulate the counseling, but you understand nothing about what is actually going on. I mean, why don't you guys ever ask us about this stuff? We know a whole lot more about psychics than you do.
06 Oct 2011, 22:07
06 Oct 2011, 22:58
07 Oct 2011, 00:18
craig weiler wrote:Arouet,
I do read what you write and you make unfounded assumptions. You immediately look for ways that getting psychic readings could be bad for people and do not consider that they could be good. You are taking statements, such as psychics doing counseling and assuming that you understand them in their entirety. I don't think that you understand counseling very well either, based on your statements.
Psychics, unless they are complete idiots, (and some of them are, they're like people that way) do not normally give advice, but rather provide information on the understanding that they are reporting on tendencies that people can change. It is up to the client to decide what to do with that information. They normally cover areas of the most interest to people: health, relationships, career, etc. Most people have one area that they are struggling with, some people have two. A psychic reading is not going to change that either for the better or the worse.
If people come with a problem and want actual counseling, about all a psychic can do is listen and that's what normally happens. Worse case, no change. It's up to the client to decide how they want to spend their time with the psychic and if they want to spill their guts so to speak, there's not much to do except go along with it. The people who seriously need counseling? More often than not, they're seeing a counselor already.
As far as advice goes, it is the rare person who takes anyone else's advice, even if they're paying for it. So that's not much of an issue. People are perfectly capable of blowing off advice that they don't want besides.
07 Oct 2011, 01:55
I'm not sure what we're arguing about then: Giving information about tendencies that people can change involving health, relationships, career etc. sound pretty close to counselling to me! Close enough that they are in the same family of advice anyway. Not every psychologist will give direct advice either, but the treatment is meant to affect the person's behaviour.
Some are, some aren't. In any event, you already admitted that some psychics are idiots. So that's a good reason to regulate, isn't it?
07 Oct 2011, 02:46