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Belief Systems

Postby cubeangel » 02 Aug 2012, 08:59

I have a question(s) for everyone here. Are there any belief systems that exist today and that have existed in all of human history that were and are free of contradictions and complete? Can a believe system ever be created that is both free from any contradictions and ever truly be complete? If yes, can anyone show me what belief systems are truthfully free of contradictions and that ever was free of any contradictions but still remained complete? It needed nothing else including any more scrutiny or examination. It was, is perfect, and can be perfect. Can anyone on here design a belief system that is both free from any contradictions yet complete.
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby Arouet » 02 Aug 2012, 09:02

How can a belief system be complete when we have imperfect knowledge?
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby cubeangel » 02 Aug 2012, 09:13

This is an excellent question. Is it even possible to have perfect knowledge? If we did have perfect knowledge how would we know? What would be the measure to use that determines what perfection even is?
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby Arouet » 02 Aug 2012, 09:17

It may be possible to have perfect knowledge on a given topic, but impossible to KNOW that we have perfect knowledge. Much safer to assume that we don't have perfect knowledge but that we are doing the best that we can with the information we have, and that we should search for more knowledge to improve on past beliefs.
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby cubeangel » 02 Aug 2012, 09:39

I think I will accept what you say is true. It seems reasonable to me. Sometimes, one should put aside looking for better knowledge, relax and have a martini.
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby Arouet » 02 Aug 2012, 09:41

cubeangel wrote:I think I will accept what you say is true. It seems reasonable to me. Sometimes, one should put aside looking for better knowledge, relax and have a martini.


That's true too! lol
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby NinjaPuppy » 02 Aug 2012, 09:55

cubeangel wrote:I have a question(s) for everyone here. Are there any belief systems that exist today and that have existed in all of human history that were and are free of contradictions and complete? Can a believe system ever be created that is both free from any contradictions and ever truly be complete? If yes, can anyone show me what belief systems are truthfully free of contradictions and that ever was free of any contradictions but still remained complete? It needed nothing else including any more scrutiny or examination. It was, is perfect, and can be perfect. Can anyone on here design a belief system that is both free from any contradictions yet complete.

I don't know about being free of contradiction but Wicca beat the crap out of Catholicism. The Catholic religion is nothing but a bunch of contradictions.
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby ProfWag » 02 Aug 2012, 20:53

cubeangel wrote:This is an excellent question. Is it even possible to have perfect knowledge? If we did have perfect knowledge how would we know? What would be the measure to use that determines what perfection even is?

It is unlikely for anyone to have "perfect knowledge." Experiments have shown that even significant events that take place in one's life are remembered differently as time passes. (I can post a reference to this tomorrow, if requested.) So if one can't remember the past, then my interpretation of that would be that one's knowledge could no longer be considered "perfect."
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby NinjaPuppy » 02 Aug 2012, 22:33

ProfWag wrote:Experiments have shown that even significant events that take place in one's life are remembered differently as time passes. (I can post a reference to this tomorrow, if requested.) So if one can't remember the past, then my interpretation of that would be that one's knowledge could no longer be considered "perfect."

There was some reference to the memory distortion on a show that I watched the other day. The experiment was to expose unsuspecting hikers to a set up situation where they stumble on what seems like a government investigation in the middle of the dessert. Each hiker was given a helmet cam so it recorded exactly what they saw and confirmed any verbal communication between the unsuspecting witnesses. One month later, these people were interviewed about this happening and their memories of the event were far from perfect. I can't recall the show or even the channel but if I see it on TV again, I'll post a link.
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby Craig Browning » 03 Aug 2012, 01:08

There's no single "religion" that's survived all of recorded history but there are some elementary "wisdoms" that are common to the majority of world history, the most prevalent being what is best known as the "Golden Rule" for which there's more than 5,000 known versions with a few pre-dating Babylon.

There was a Buddhist group that put out a little booklet a few years ago (ok. . . about 20 years ago) called "The Golden Thread" and all it had in it were these various forms of the same teaching, the group it came from and accredited age. It's a very interesting read but what hits me the hardest is that this concept has existed for more than 7 millennia and yet, humanity has yet to catch on to what it means let alone applying it to our lives. :roll:
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Re: Belief Systems

Postby cubeangel » 03 Aug 2012, 09:33

ProfWag wrote:
cubeangel wrote:This is an excellent question. Is it even possible to have perfect knowledge? If we did have perfect knowledge how would we know? What would be the measure to use that determines what perfection even is?

It is unlikely for anyone to have "perfect knowledge." Experiments have shown that even significant events that take place in one's life are remembered differently as time passes. (I can post a reference to this tomorrow, if requested.) So if one can't remember the past, then my interpretation of that would be that one's knowledge could no longer be considered "perfect."


This is very interesting. I would love to be tested as well.
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