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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby RelentlessAlarm » 04 Jun 2012, 07:26

Twain Shakespeare wrote:I was put off by the title of this thread. It looked "Iche-y," Another possibility that occured to me was it was an antisemetic rant about the Rothschild's


Personally, if I had titled it originally, I would have picked a less douchey title. But I suppose it served a purpose - it drew a response from the forum members over at godlikeproductions.

I suspect I would need weed to read it appreciatively, and my prayers to Rastafari haven't been working, but I'll try the link and follow this thread to the end.


LOL, perhaps! ;) I appreciate you trying. Thank you.

Radically agnostic. Love the name, too, but I can't tell rather that means you are PerpetuallyParanoid or Broken Car Alarm. ;)


I should also state that I do, however, hold a number of principles to be True - these are areas where I feel I have fully vetted out through philosophic understanding, analysis and intuition. These Truths include such things as Positive > Negative and balance is key. Compassion > selfish ego. So on and so forth. But yes, when it comes to the "story" behind the concepts and principles, I am radically agnostic.

As for the name, it is actually something a bit different. In my mind it represented that feeling we all endure upon waking from a pleasant dream to the sound of a blood curdling alarm - often an experience that must be repeated daily. As painful as being awake can be (like a relentless alarm), the struggle of life is perhaps to endure it with gratitude and a willingness to learn from the pain...
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 04 Jun 2012, 09:03

RelentlessAlarm wrote:
Twain Shakespeare wrote:Radically agnostic. Love the name, too, but I can't tell rather that means you are PerpetuallyParanoid or Broken Car Alarm. ;)


I should also state that I do, however, hold a number of principles to be True - these are areas where I feel I have fully vetted out through philosophic understanding, analysis and intuition. These Truths include such things as Positive > Negative and balance is key. Compassion > selfish ego. So on and so forth. But yes, when it comes to the "story" behind the concepts and principles, I am radically agnostic.

As for the name, it is actually something a bit different. In my mind it represented that feeling we all endure upon waking from a pleasant dream to the sound of a blood curdling alarm - often an experience that must be repeated daily. As painful as being awake can be (like a relentless alarm), the struggle of life is perhaps to endure it with gratitude and a willingness to learn from the pain...



Thanks for the chance to be alliterative. Grok the names. You are saying you are like the mynah birds in Aldous Huxley's final testament, Island, which continually cried out "Attention!" or "Here and now!"

I have found four mathematical premises which hang together in such away that, poetically at least, to me, they explain the Universe. Next time Rastafari answers you prayers, feel free to check out my post "Mathematical Mysticism" in our metaphysics forum, I think.

The second of my four premises is "Positive > Negative and balance is key". The fourth is "Compassion > selfish ego : GROK?" The first is "shit happens". The third is "All stories are = true; = false; but only variably useful.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 04 Jun 2012, 09:57

Oddly, my prayers to Rastafari were finally answered right after I had publically complained about his poor service here. I read up to page thirteen, then finished this thread, and am ready to write, but that will be written on Open office so I won't be using the quote feature, and my screed might run pages. Also, I am going to warch Dark Shadows at last in two hours, so my responses will likely not be long today.

One point already. I emphatically do not believe in monist theories of any sort, and my screed I referred you to before is in large part the culmination of a thirty year effort to dialectically refute Plato. Sokratically yours, Relentless
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 04 Jun 2012, 11:04

RelentlessAlarm wrote:
I am less interested in debating the legitimacy of the "insider" (personally- though feel free to debate otherwise obviously). I am more interested in attempting to answer or analyze the many (seemingly) rhetorical questions posed.


Speaking with the Shakespeare half of my brain, as a writer and an actor, I was most interested in what character was being created.

The self chosen description “Elite Family Insider” creates, as I noted, “Icke-ean” expectations (I misspell the name everyday imaginable, sorry.) but he has, so far repeatedly claimed to be of NO group we normally associate with the term “Elite Family” and as much as stated no member of the family is known to the world at large or remembered by history.


The metaphor that came to mind was that he was not only claiming to be the man behind the curtain, but also claiming to be a different person than the wizard of Oz, and then capping that by saying the Wizard Thought he was the Man behind the Curtain, while actually Zardoz thought he was really running him from the top of the pyramid, but the Illuminati actually have it stuck in the ass and he was in the sub-basement (or more, metaphorically, was the fundamental substrate of reality.)

RelentlessAlarm wrote:The "Insider" was conversing with a forum full of many of those sorts you described (who asked obvious questions with obvious logic fallacies - i.e. unfortunately most people failed at taking advantage of the dialectic discourse being proffered). He come off to me as more of a philosopher, the type who would have been revered in Plato's day, but today would be called useless. He was calm and unwilling to associate with any specific "ology" or "ism".)


Yes, at this point I and I (the writer skills program in my left brain) paused to admire his Sokratic methodology and anti-rhetorical expertise. It occurs to me Robert Anton Wilson was still alive when this was posted, but it sounds more like Malaclypse the Younger. Holy Crowley wouldda been proud!

First he evokes our fear by the title he uses, then he attacks basic epistemological assumptions dialectectcally until his interlocutors start to take him as being an oracle, while still fearing him as the Ur-Father tyrant Cronos of Bilderberg his title evokes.

Yet what is the family and “bloodline” he keeps simultaneously referring to, while claiming we CANNOT understand what he is referring to.

Suddenly, my actor groks. His family is non-biological. He is claiming to be a Loki in the Valhallapile, a Prometheos slumming.

At this point, I had “grokked in fullness”, or at least as fully as I was willing to go at that point. I will go back with that characterization in mind to read the rest later, and see if I grok.

So I finished reading this thread, and began my replies. I already took on his Monist preposition, if you want to discuss that, Relentless, but I am willing to consider that a “rhetorical” tool of the characterization the Insider was creating in my minds.

Next
RelentlessAlarm wrote:taking on the presumption that Insider was legit ... then Earth is a prison. .


Going back to my image of him claiming to be, in a third metaphor, an insider of the Brotherhood of Boddhisattvas (arguably deserving to claim to be the true Elite Family, “ruling” as a Taoist Sage rules, then, if Earth is Purgatoria Penitentiary, he is claiming to be a guard, and in reality is a corrupt trustee passing notes.

Continued when Rastafari and I and I have thought some more.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby RelentlessAlarm » 04 Jun 2012, 14:36

I will be totally honest, I will need to do A LOT of research before I can adequately respond. I must confess that I do not often read the works of others or explore such things in the academic or mystic realm. I came upon the Insider thing by chance. It was the first time I had read anything such as that.

I've never read Aldous Huxley (other than a summary of Brave New World :S), I am unfamiliar with Rastafari (I mean beyond what a five year old knows), no idea what any of the following are and so shall put my faith in Google to inform me, lol: Icke-ean, Zardoz, Malaclypse the Younger, Holy Crowley, "Loki in the Valhallapile, a Prometheos slumming" (now I HAVE heard of the Illuminati and Robert Anton Wilson, though my knowledge is limited - I started reading Illuminatus! Trilogy a few years ago - it failed to capture my attention at that point in my life).

I am eager to read up on all of these things, especially your Mathematical Mysticism post. I feel as if I am pulling on the first loose thread of an unravelling curtain. Rabbit down the hole so to speak.

The Oneness presented in the Insider materials is something that does happen to resonate with me; however, I have also very strongly always felt that duality played an even more observable role. I picture millions of interconnecting lines/waves - each line representing a spectrum and the key is finding the perfect point of balance within every single spectrum. THE perfect chemistry for harmony. Harmony being what allows the simultaneous existence of individual freedom and fairness.

A new favorite word - Grok. Fascinating, thank you!! Also a new word - screed. Love it :)

"he is claiming to be a guard, and in reality is a corrupt trustee passing notes."

I had considered this as well. I have a hard time processing the words of one who says never to trust the words of gurus, it creates quite the paradox, doesn't it? I wonder if there was any ego in the Insider's motives to post, particularly on that forum?
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 04 Jun 2012, 16:22

RelentlessAlarm wrote:I will be totally honest, I will need to do A LOT of research before I can adequately respond. I must confess that I do not often read the works of others or explore such things in the academic or mystic realm. I came upon the Insider thing by chance. It was the first time I had read anything such as that.

I've never read Aldous Huxley (other than a summary of Brave New World :S), I am unfamiliar with Rastafari (I mean beyond what a five year old knows), no idea what any of the following are and so shall put my faith in Google to inform me, lol: Icke-ean, Zardoz, Malaclypse the Younger, Holy Crowley, "Loki in the Valhallapile, a Prometheos slumming" (now I HAVE heard of the Illuminati and Robert Anton Wilson, though my knowledge is limited - I started reading Illuminatus! Trilogy a few years ago - it failed to capture my attention at that point in my life).

I am eager to read up on all of these things, especially your Mathematical Mysticism post. I feel as if I am pulling on the first loose thread of an unravelling curtain. Rabbit down the hole so to speak.

The Oneness presented in the Insider materials is something that does happen to resonate with me; however, I have also very strongly always felt that duality played an even more observable role. I picture millions of interconnecting lines/waves - each line representing a spectrum and the key is finding the perfect point of balance within every single spectrum. THE perfect chemistry for harmony. Harmony being what allows the simultaneous existence of individual freedom and fairness.

A new favorite word - Grok. Fascinating, thank you!! Also a new word - screed. Love it :)

"he is claiming to be a guard, and in reality is a corrupt trustee passing notes."

I had considered this as well. I have a hard time processing the words of one who says never to trust the words of gurus, it creates quite the paradox, doesn't it? I wonder if there was any ego in the Insider's motives to post, particularly on that forum?


I have a huge vocabulary, and cultural references I have been accumulating for fifty years. I use them, but am always willing to elucidate the text.

Island by Aldous Huxley is the only believable description of a utopia I have ever read, and based on a scientific buddhism with strong zen overtones. The trained Mynah birds were intended to continually “wake you up.”

Icke I first learned of here. He is a Brit who claims the Windsors, Bushes, and Dwight Yoakum are descended from reptiles from outer space. People asked the EFI about him.

Zardoz is Sean Connery's first post James Bond Flick by the director of Excalibur, John Boormann. It is a pre Mad Max apocalyptic redreaming of Wizard of Oz, and Sean Connery, the Dorothy of the story, realizes the God of the Gun, Zardoz, is a fraud when he finds a copy of Baum's book..

Malaclypse the Younger was a friend of Robert Anton Wilson's who adopted the name in the 60's when he founded the Discordian Church.. Later he and Wilson founded the Church of Bob. They described the various methods of dialectic they have developed designed to snap people at of robotic programming as “guerrilla ontology”.

Holy Crowley is a reference to Aleister Crowley, the self proclaimed Great Beast 666 and author of Diary of a Drug Fiend, who said “They abuse my name most foully when thus rhyming it Cr-oully, but those who consider me holy rhyme it thus, Cr-oly”
Crowley is also a character in RA Wilson's most accessible work, the novel Masks of the Illuminati, in which Crowley gives Albert Einstein and James Joyce LSD in 1905.

"Loki in the Valhallapile, a Prometheos slumming" is me riffing on mythology after too much Rastafari, and refers to conflict among the Elite families of gods.

Beware of Invisible White Rabbits. Their holes tend to lead to hallucinogenic briar patches and “How are you, Mr Wilson” experiences.

The picture you relate to String Theory reminds me of certain “mystical illuminations” when I saw a universal interconnectiveness, pulsing and “dialectically progressing” which I think of as the the animist or pantheist vision.

The Tao, the Oneness that is two, and makes three and four, can be described as Oneness, duality, or a trinity, depending upon what angle one looks at it from. From yet another angle, it appears infinite. If I really Grokked what I was trying to think after half a century of trying to grok “Life, the Universe, and Everything”, that is the simplest way I can describe something that has been happening for “billions and billions of years”

Grok, to understand a thing as thoroughly as if you had assimilated it by eating it, or conversely, to be assimilated to something as thoroughly as if it had eaten you. Robert Heinlein.

I have been a rastafarian since I was fifteen, and have my own thoughts on it. My mother was a Christian Scientist ( a cult, not a description of her job). Father Divine's Peace Mission's membership was one quarter ex Christian Scientist. The first Rastafarians included some who had been in the Peace mission. All these religions are basically gnosticism, which believes the earth is a prison of matter, and as long as we think we are merely matter, we are in prison. However, they consider most other religions to not be teaching this truth, but rather teaching we are made out of mud. I am agnostic about it except when it comes to my relations with churches or the state.

"he is claiming to be a guard, and in reality is a corrupt trustee passing notes."
Yeah, for the moment I wrote that he fooled me, but that is the character I would be in my mind if I were performing the lines for an audiobook.

Zen makes not trusting the guru central. My favorite koan is “Who is the great lord who makes the grass green?” It is also central to guerrilla ontology, and ELI's assumption of the name he has chosen keeps the distrust going

Motive? I can picture RA Wilson , high as a kite on medicinal marijuana or Amsterdam Gold, cutting and pasting prewritten answers as he whiled away the last days of his life.

Now I become the great lord who makes the grass glow red, and read some more of the ELI.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 04 Jun 2012, 16:29

Meant EFI abbreviation for Elite Family Insider., not ELI. Just saw Dark Shadows, and am half as high as RA Wilson on Amsterdam Gold.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby RelentlessAlarm » 07 Jun 2012, 03:15

I'm wondering if this thread would be better located under the metaphysical, hologram world thread. Though I am unsure how to move it.

I'll have to read Island, sounds intriguing.

Oooh David Icke! I did look him up after reading the Insider thing...is he basically a cult leader? Why is he so (seemingly) beloved/followed by so many?

"Beware of Invisible White Rabbits. Their holes tend to lead to hallucinogenic briar patches and “How are you, Mr Wilson” experiences."

Can you elaborate what you mean? I'll respond to the inference I drew from what you are saying - don't worry, I never take anything anyone else says as fact until I have fully explored it or vetted the issue myself. Thus, I rarely see danger in chasing real or imagined rabbits - I'm far too aware of the power of self-delusion. Plus, even those things I do take as fact often have an escape clause ;)

So to clarify, you are saying you do NOT believe in "Oneness"? Or you do not believe in a finite oneness? Do you believe earth is a prison of sorts? I just want to be sure I understand where you are coming from.

My logic, philosophies, etc., having been pushing me towards a cyclical understanding of existence and, likely due to the limitations of my mind, tends towards a "Oneness" view of existence (of course, this always leads to the problem of okay, then who/what created the circle and why). I would like to better understand your hypotheses and four mathematical patterns that oppose the idea of "platonic epistemology" to challenge my thought process, which has entered an infinite loop.

I read your mathematical mysticism thread, but I must admit, I am having a hard time totally following. Would you be willing to state the basic ideas in layman's terms - i.e. can you speak in ideas rather than idea labels? Like what is axiom zero? I've never learned this. It's making me conjure up a concept I've knocked around for years of the number line going out in separate directions towards negative and positive infinity, but negative and positive infinity are equal in concept, so really the line is a circle, which means infinite nothingness begets something - a circle. And an infinite number of overlapping circles makes a sphere with points of axis that act upon each other and thus create waves of something called possibility. All possibilities simultaneously exist and we exist within one of those possibilities...

Some key points or patterns I've observed (that I haven't pulled together entirely yet and cannot fully explain why I know, or think I know, these things). I am young, and still rather uneducated in this realm, and am only able to go off of my personal observations and intuition and ability to speculate.

- Sphere's are important
- Waves are important
- Positive and negative duality is important
- Most things we view as linear are probably wave folds (perhaps like the infinity symbol or simply a circle - cause effect loop, karmic balance) - including time, it just looks linear from our perspective
- From that perspective, there are spectrums of duality and points of balance
- Things go inward by as many (in)conceivable levels as outward
- Positive energy congregates in a stable core and negative energy speeds around the outside - this can be seen paralleled in many ways
- How to put this in words...lets say you have a gelatinous mass with positive and negative polarities. When the positive and negative are balanced, the gelatin keeps its stable form. If the push and pull between the polarities begin to wave, dip and peak, push, pull, the gelatin will be unstable, vibrating, creating waves. If the waves get big enough, the gelatin might fling apart.

Science has inadequately answered for me - why a big bang (actually given duality and the push pull creating waves of cause and effect, I can actually conceive of this, BUT, why existence, why duality? Is duality simply the result of existing vs. not existing? Why have a will to exist? Further, why have a will to survive (life)? where does this Will derive from? why act on the world?, why not simply exist?, why evolve and change?, where does collective understanding of "good" from?, why soooo smart, yet soooo stupid? why do we know and reason just enough to feel angst over a desire to explore, know, be at peace? why patterns and mathematical givens? That implies there is some organization - a natural result of balance/equilibrium? Still leads me to ask, why does there need to be balance between opposing forces? Why have opposing forces?

Funny you bring up RA Wilson. I know extremely little about him, but a friend of mine who had followed his works has always told me I share his brain. I suppose that is a compliment, though I suspect I am not that intelligent and am certainly not that well-read and verse in the academia of philosophy, et al.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 11 Jun 2012, 05:39

RelentlessAlarm wrote:I'm wondering if this thread would be better located under the metaphysical, hologram world thread. Though I am unsure how to move it.


Sorry I have taken so long to respond, Relentless. I am also comtemplating how to respond to your holographic post.[/quote]

RelentlessAlarm wrote:Oooh David Icke! I did look him up after reading the Insider thing...is he basically a cult leader? Why is he so (seemingly) beloved/followed by so many?


I suppose so, but in my opinion, “cults” are the basic human associational group, rather the cult is the Dallas Cowboys, Presley fans, or Obombers. Why do people join cults? Psychologicaldeformation of evolutionary programs evolved before individual consciousness.

RelentlessAlarm wrote:"Beware of Invisible White Rabbits. Their holes tend to lead to hallucinogenic briar patches and “How are you, Mr Wilson” experiences."

Can you elaborate what you mean? I'll respond to the inference I drew from what you are saying - don't worry, I never take anything anyone else says as fact until I have fully explored it or vetted the issue myself. Thus, I rarely see danger in chasing real or imagined rabbits - I'm far too aware of the power of self-delusion. Plus, even those things I do take as fact often have an escape clause ;)


My favorite invisible white rabbiot is Harvey, from the play with the same name. There is a scene in it where an orderly, Wilson, is looking up the definition of “Pookah”, and the definition he reads is altered by Harvey's magic to conclude “How are you, Mr Wilson”. Robert Anton Wilson described watching this scene in his own warning that we tend to see what we believe, so we must be careful what we believe. As Lovecraft said, “Do not call up those you cannot put down!” IF we create them tho, we have a looking glass loophole escape route if things get hairy.

RelentlessAlarm wrote:So to clarify, you are saying you do NOT believe in "Oneness"? Or you do not believe in a finite oneness? Do you believe earth is a prison of sorts? I just want to be sure I understand where you are coming from.


I wish I understood where I come from myself. My family tells me I got to Oklahoma through the birth canal, but tht always sounded implausible to me. I can't think of any reason to go to Oklahoma.

Seriously, speaking not in terms of “heart' or “gut” felt belief, but in terms of “confidence”, the only personal experience I have with “Oneness' is with an idea that exists in human minds. I see no evidnce in the universe of a final cause, much less anything that is all-good, all-knowing- and all powerful, with the possible, but limited exception of light, and Light alone cannot be the “final cause.”

I concluded years ago, the such things exist no where but in the mind, and that they come from our evolutionary history, from a time when the one truth was the tribe and its tribal cult. The original loyalty to this natural organism has been “perverted” or “co-opted” to underlie religions, states, corporations, all of which operate on the principole of selfishness.

Further, the philosophy of Monotheiem as developed by Platon required the triple whammy of an “all-good, all-knowing- and all powerful” entity. In mathematical logic, this is impossible except in a closed system, because of Occm's paradox, which you stated below as “this always leads to the problem of okay, then who/what created the circle and why”. My fundamental view is that...


RelentlessAlarm wrote:My logic, philosophies, etc., having been pushing me towards a cyclical understanding of existence and, likely due to the limitations of my mind, tends towards a "Oneness" view of existence (of course, this always leads to the problem of okay, then who/what created the circle and why). I would like to better understand your hypotheses and four mathematical patterns that oppose the idea of "platonic epistemology" to challenge my thought process, which has entered an infinite loop.

I read your mathematical mysticism thread, but I must admit, I am having a hard time totally following. Would you be willing to state the basic ideas in layman's terms - i.e. can you speak in ideas rather than idea labels? Like what is axiom zero? I've never learned this. It's making me conjure up a concept I've knocked around for years of the number line going out in separate directions towards negative and positive infinity, but negative and positive infinity are equal in concept, so really the line is a circle, which means infinite nothingness begets something - a circle. And an infinite number of overlapping circles makes a sphere with points of axis that act upon each other and thus create waves of something called possibility. All possibilities simultaneously exist and we exist within one of those possibilities...


Relentless, I suspect you have a deep intuitive understanding of things that makes me overstimate the knowledge you consciously possess, because it seems to me you have a grasp of many points I have looked at.

Axiom zero is quite simply taking pure math as representing the real world in the case of the basic premise that Zero multiplied by zero is one. In plain English, something does come from nothing. Any further comment in English departs from plain prose into metaphysic, mysticism, and moonshine.

Your description of the number line begatting a circle was a good visualization of what I was trying to evoke with that piece, which in turn should result in your mind “enter(ing) an infinite loop” since looping is they only escape logically available to the human mind at that point, and an infinite, ever expanding loop is the closest I can come to picturing the universe, since infinity is beyond me.

I will attempt to comment on the key points in my reply to your holographic universe post.

RelentlessAlarm wrote:Funny you bring up RA Wilson. I know extremely little about him, but a friend of mine who had followed his works has always told me I share his brain. I suppose that is a compliment, though I suspect I am not that intelligent and am certainly not that well-read and verse in the academia of philosophy, et al.



RA Wilson, with his inspiration Wilhelm Reich, are the two most important thinkers I have envountered in my life. You share his, and Reich's, trust in his own perception and experiences over what you are told.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 11 Jun 2012, 06:40

It is a heart felt conviction and gut certainty that Earth is a prison, else why have I been trying to escape so hard? But it not something I have ANY statistical confidence about, so my using it as a basis for action is less logical than a Christian acting on the basis of original sin.

One other point I will put here (Ha, it took a page, it it is more of a hologram than a point). Your visualization of points causing lines, lines causing circles, and that leading to spheres put me in mind of my visualization of the three dimensions.

I was trying to tie pure math to real world referents. Pure math, by definition, has no connection to reality, since practical math is defined as "math with a real world application".

To demonstrate, the square root of negative one is necessary for pure math, but is logically impossible as it would be both positive and negative at once. Thus, it was once taken to be the archetypical proof that pure math DID NOT DESCRIBE the "real World".

Then it was discovered that electronics requires this square root to describe something in practical engineering without which electronics cannot be explained, and from being "proof" of the "non-reality" of "pure math", it became or biggest piece of evidence that the only dif between pure math and practical is, we have found a practical use for the latter.

On the other hand, the world is flat.

The Euclidean "pure math" in which parallel lines never meet is practical in nearly every application on Earth. We live on Flatland, a sphere so large it has been "flattened" from our perspective to such a degree that the horizon appears as a straight line unless we physically turn around 360 degrees, and see that straight line nonetheless bends in a circle.

Then we notice ships sinking below the horizon, and after observation, begin to deduce the movement of the stars as we learned to navigate. Eventually, Astrologers and navigators found that, in practical terms, if one sails far enough north or south, parallel lines do meet, while if one travels east or west, latitudes are not parallel by def because they difer in length. We go thru Ptolemy, Copernicus. Lobachevski, and Einstein, and realize that, on a large enough scale, parallel lines behave accord to Lobachevsky and Einstein's geometry, and space is bent...but we still speak of sunrise and sunset!

When I taught math, I had some success in explaining the three dimensions in terms of real world referents.
You have given me a new, simpler insight into my insight, by pointing out that nothing or Zero is the reference point, from which somethingness emerges, and nothing is defined by its position on a positive/negative line
To my students. I started by pointing out that the line is light and/or electromagnetism. That is the real world referent for the pure math concept of “the line.” (“As Above, so below” a Babylonian insight that describes fractals. Note that even the straight lines of light have “wavelength and their own three dimensionality.)
The second dimension on a graph is left or right. On a graph, this is shown as a straight line perpendicular to the pos/neg line. But in the real world, the first, linear, dimension is north south, while the second is east west, not left right, and is parallel to the line through circularity, being bent.
And as circles create spheres, the third dimension is down and up, or more accurately, down and out. This is the bending of space itself, gravity.
That much we can grok
The next question is, what, if anything do spheres make?
Oh. the world is only flat on a small enough scale. As for intersecting spheres, I suspect they create holograms, and intersecting holograms create language, but that is the barest suspiscion.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 11 Jun 2012, 06:52

Relentless, if you search this forum for "lucisphere", you will find a four posts by me on the "Burden of Proof" thread in General discussions, and one more which may sum it up in a religion thread. The "Lucispere" is my name for a hologram which consists of the entanglement of every photon that ever intersected with another.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby RelentlessAlarm » 22 Jun 2012, 08:54

So sorry, Twain Shakespeare! I wanted to respond to your PM, but I do not appear to have permissions yet. I just got a new job and am drowning in work, so I haven't had too much time for philosophizing. But I will read and respond to all of the above as soon as possible. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply! :mrgreen:
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby NinjaPuppy » 22 Jun 2012, 09:16

RelentlessAlarm wrote:So sorry, Twain Shakespeare! I wanted to respond to your PM, but I do not appear to have permissions yet. I just got a new job and am drowning in work, so I haven't had too much time for philosophizing. But I will read and respond to all of the above as soon as possible. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply! :mrgreen:

RA - Since it seems that you are quite interested in this topic, I will bump you up to a full member so that your PM goodies will work. If anything should happen to your log in due to the override, just rejoin and post here to let me know and I will take care of it.

You are no longer blue. Your "User Control Panel" should work now.
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby RelentlessAlarm » 25 Jun 2012, 09:55

Very kind of you, thank you, NinjaPuppy.

TwainShakespeare - I tend to agree that earth feels like a prison. But with that comes the realization that if earth is a prison and prisons imply being contained away FROM SOMETHING ELSE, then I am quite curious to contemplate what this other something is/might be/could be.

I have not yet read the lucishere suggestion, so I will save my comment, but thank you for sharing!

"Psychologicaldeformation of evolutionary programs evolved before individual consciousness" - is this like a collective group conscious, e.g. Borg-like as a precursor to individual conscience/conscious? What is the next evolutionary step do you think? Collective shared conscious and by that I do not mean ONE conscious but the complete free sharing of knowledge and memory to the point that all that is is open-source? Was Internet the stepping block towards this? Everything seems to be moving more to shared resources, efficiency, balance, etc. I wonder if, like waves, these dualities in which we live eventually sort themselves out and finds a nice balance point.

I was also pondering the hypothesis that time exists out of a necessity of duality. We live in a realm of duality with opposing forces, we're all here either trying to rock the boat and create as many waves and possible, or trying to find harmony and balance in all the madness. I've found this is largely linked to how much stimulus a person needs. In any case, without duality, opposition, conflict, etc., we would not have change and without change we would not have before and after. For humans, duality leads to choice which leads to change. Without choice, we would not have the ability to act upon the world in a meaningful, sentient way (that I can conceive of). Our ability to be aware of duality and therefore CHOOSE is what creates out perception of time - a before and after.

I'd like to be able to ask a tree how it perceives time.

Good point on the Harvey bit, something I try to take into consideration. I will respond more later, but I must join my family now. Thank you once again!
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Re: The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 25 Jun 2012, 15:04

"Psychological deformation of evolutionary programs evolved before individual consciousness" is close to what I am saying, although I prefer the non-judgmental technical term "Co-adaptation" which refers to how something evolved for one purpose, such as feathers, which arose because they insulated, and was later adapted for, say, sexual display, which in turn developed, through female love of the gaudy,into a large enough fringe of forelimb feathers to allow gliding.
I do not consider it borg like. I prefer to take my analogies from nature. I see the pre individual group consciousness, the individual consciousness, and the modern competing species of group consciousness, as consisting of memes which are contained in words.
As the late great William Burroughs said, "Language is a virus." The alternative is certainly true. DNA is a language, and what is more, it appears to have emerged naturally.
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