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Who or what is God?

Postby Scepcop » 17 Dec 2011, 00:56

Deep thoughts from Darryl Sloan about who or what is God.

Darryl Sloan:
Discussing the idea of God from the perspectives of monotheism (God is a being), pantheism (God is the universe) and atheism (God is the Big Bang singularity). What light does modern science shed on this age-old question, especially in light of the motion of galaxies and the nature of energy?

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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Arouet » 17 Dec 2011, 01:09

God is the big bang singularity? WTF?
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Craig Browning » 17 Dec 2011, 23:37

I'm still trying to figure out "Pantheism" referring to God as "the Universe". . . I always thought it referred to multiple deities vs. Universal Mind and the Akashic record.

Let me try to figure this out. . . In the beginning god found himself within a void. . .
:shock: Well, that's impossible. . . if all is made up of a great void then NOTHING can be there, right?


God sought to understand himself; who he was and what he was . . . or so goes the gist of the average mythos

Depending on which creation myth you are working with God either created a variety of sentient things to help him in this quest of self-realization or sub-divided himself into billions of parts so as to learn through the existence of each part as it made a carnal journey back towards spirit and becoming part of the greater whole. . . :?

Regardless, the act of creation involved a handful of physical reactions that seem to have happened all at once or in around the same time. . . certain "scholars" saying early October 8,000 b.c.e. or some such. . . nonetheless, the common thread is that a burst of brilliant light happened. . . a BIG BANG :o . . . and from mere thought God Created the Heavens & the Earth, the Stars of the sky, the sun & moon as well as every living thing upon Terra itself.

This is where it gets interesting; seems God now has a board of directors working with him and a host of different sentient beings including a massive army of Angels and Arch-Angels. As the tale goes however. . . "God said, let US go down and create man in OUR image"

OOPS! So much for the monotheistic perspective. . . at least that's the case for those clinging to the Abrahamic traditions (the only one that promotes such . . . and no, I'm not excluding Akhenaten (play /ˌɑːkəˈnɑːtən/), there are theories within both, the Jewish and Islamic schools of thought that suggest Akhenaten's tradition was a key factor to the evolution and creation of their theology.) This passage likewise sustains the "Hindu" creation tale which after all, serves as the exoteric covering to the Abrahamic traditions though Shiva & friends were replaced by Adonai and other earlier Gods & Goddess types (the Hebrew had several deities prior to Moses and the deal he made with Yahweh). This support stems from the idea that a group conscience was taken when it came to the more elevated entities that would govern this new domain. . . a.k.a. humankind. Then again, the first creator had a couple of booboos hit the fan, some believing that Lilith is still pulling the reigns here and there (so much for God being "Perfect" and without flaw. . . ).

This idea of a council and how said forum worked together when it came to making decisions goes a long way to supporting the latter idea -- Universal Conscience and Higher Mind.

While I've over-simplified things, it would seem that ALL OF IT actually works in tandem with one another even though the Monotheistic view tends to be more "selfish" in attitude and certainly more "human" when it comes to emotions and arrogance. A monotheistic deity means imbalance to all of creation, it's that simple; there are no checks & balances in place and thus, it is dictatorial by nature. Existing in a universe headed up by a megalomaniac ain't my idea of a good time; but living in an environment that allows the analytical and mystical to permeate the same over-all dimension. . . I think it works. ;)
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Arouet » 18 Dec 2011, 00:20

You're thinking of polytheim Craig.

Pantheism is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God (or divinity) are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Craig Browning » 19 Dec 2011, 00:39

Arouet wrote:You're thinking of polytheim Craig.

Pantheism is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God (or divinity) are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.[/quote


Hey, my brain only works part time :oops:
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Jennett9 » 31 Dec 2011, 14:52

Anyway I always wonder what I would be like now/what my beliefs would be if I didn't go to private Jewish day school (I didn't have a choice, it was my mother and grandmother's choice and I had no say in the matter). My father had nothing to do with this because in his opinion (and I agree, not sure then but now looking back for sure yes) going to Jewish day school I would have no awareness of all other types of people (Spanish, African-American, etc.).

So my I have two main thoughts going through my head.

First off I do believe that there is some higher spiritual being around us (I don't believe in a GOD or some higher being residing "Up there")...he or she or it is around us.

However, the other, very dominant thought I have is "is there really a GOD?" I think this way and ponder this often due to all of the horrible things that happened and happen in our world evey day.

THE HOLOCAUST...do I need to say anymore? (I will don't worry). If there was a GOD why did this happen? (This is a rhetorical question because as we know we can't go back in time) but we are talking about 6 million jews who were killed and some million or more others that were killed as well, just because a horrible man, HITLER, didn't like them.

All of the wars and enemies that Israel has.

The Gulf War, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, terrorism in general, children being killed by their parents, gang attacks, stores being robbed, people being mugged, kidnaps...you get my picture.

Again I wonder if there was a GOD watching over us, why have all of these awful things happened?
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Craig Browning » 01 Jan 2012, 03:34

Jennett9 wrote:However, the other, very dominant thought I have is "is there really a GOD?" I think this way and ponder this often due to all of the horrible things that happened and happen in our world evey day.

THE HOLOCAUST...do I need to say anymore? (I will don't worry). If there was a GOD why did this happen? (This is a rhetorical question because as we know we can't go back in time) but we are talking about 6 million jews who were killed and some million or more others that were killed as well, just because a horrible man, HITLER, didn't like them.

All of the wars and enemies that Israel has.

The Gulf War, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, terrorism in general, children being killed by their parents, gang attacks, stores being robbed, people being mugged, kidnaps...you get my picture.

Again I wonder if there was a GOD watching over us, why have all of these awful things happened?


The answer is simple; people give GOD too much credit and secondly, blame him for too many things WE'VE blank UP and refuse to take responsibility for (just look at climate change and how many excuses are being given to not be concerned over it).

In eastern traditions we hear of KARMA which is explained in most all religions & philosophies (spiritually oriented) the world over as being "The Law of Necessity" in that it has one single job; to create and maintain balance in the world. As a result the unrest and conflicts, etc. endured by a given people is due to their own actions (and inaction) in previous times. A look at the Old Testament shows how aggressive and merciless the Hebrew people were for a very long time and how it seemed to piss a lot of folks off and thus, those that shared ties to this group and religious thinking made themselves targets time and time again. Granted, there has been a whole lot of conjecture manipulated by fools so as to justify their own antisemitism just as we find with other racial and social issues in which the Bible or Koran, etc. are manipulated for the sake of creating a group cause. . . a common foe. The arguments and actions of today's overly zealous Christian right wing are the very same LIES used during the dark & middle ages when it came to "Witches" and "Protestants" (or, if you were Protestant, it was used against the Catholics).

Regardless, we are looking at a cyclic scenario in which the patrons of all of these faiths seem to ignore the wisdom condemning "an eye for an eye" madness and encourage acceptance & forgiveness -- growth via understanding and finding the common grounds shared. Until they get their heads out of their hind-side the Karmic cycle cannot end because balance cannot exist where prejudice and distrust thrives.

Karma is a part of all things that exist be it a single person, family line, nation, culture, religion, etc. All of it carries a burden of obligation and will be held in account for its positive as well as negative antics. Right now Christianity is under serious attack because of the brutality it dished out for most of the past 1,700 years. The unfortunate side of this is how those now suppressing and retaliating towards "the Church" are going to extremes and thus, the cycle will repeat itself unless we reign ourselves in and consciously choose to balance things vs. the human habit of demonizing and stigmatizing the former oppressor. Same goes for radical Islam and how ugly its aggression has become towards "Westerners"; it is a racial, political and religious mode of conflict but there are personal elements of karma involved as well. All of these things have to be surrendered, allowing the wisdom of the Koran and it's passivity to prevail vs. the idea of war and cult superiority. Until this is done Karma MUST force the issue and the cycles will continue to ebb & flow until the lessons are finally accepted and actual change put into force.

GOD does not punish, nor does Karma and for that matter "Satan". If GOD exists in the form that so many has suggested over the ages, I have serious doubt that it would wish to destroy us or hand us some strange ego-centered path we must stick to, avoiding growth of spirit, intellect and social evolution simply so we can honor IT. That just don't seem "balanced" and certainly makes absolutely no sense; why create something that might disappoint you in the first place? Why teach that mankind has freedom of will but you can't exercise it, you must comply to my will in order to be rewarded after you die. . .

WTF?

The ugliness that exists in life WE CREATED and it is up to us to not only stop creating more of it, but to take responsibility for what is there and consciously start working TOGETHER in order to correct things globally. So long as we cling to our excuses to not do this, allowing our prejudices to rule our lives more than practical wisdom, then the world will continue to see human beings devastating one another as one society falls and another rises.

One of the oldest, most widely taught wisdom teachings known to humankind can be found in EVERY religion even though the words may differ slightly. It has been taught for at least 3,500 years that can be documented and basically says, Love God with All of Your Mind, Heart, Body & Soul and so Love Your Fellow Being as You Love Yourself. I point this out only because it sums up the solution and yet, in that 3,500 years of time less than 10% of the population seems capable of coming close to living by it even though most give the idea lip-service. Adding to that irony is how so many of the great teachers known through history used this as their summation about man's purpose in life, following this virtue with stating that "the rest is just commentary; man striving to add to God's greatest commandment." In other words, we keep getting in God's way when it comes to living in that world of peace and true freedom -- balance.

At least that seems the gist of things ;)
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Jayhawker30 » 01 Jan 2012, 17:47

God is us.

But we are bigger than we know.
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby Lorraine Flores » 12 Jul 2017, 20:56

This theme is eternal, how many people, how many opinions, and it is very interesting for me to read posts on this topic
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Re: Who or what is God?

Postby molakaj » 25 Oct 2017, 21:23

You have described all this well. That's what I meant, revelation!
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