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Re: Could loners be more sane/authentic than popular people?

Postby Craig Browning » 06 Oct 2010, 22:03

@Craig and political correctness; I disagree entirely. What would society be like if we all went around paying no attention to politiness or being offensive: not very nice, I would suggest. While I agree there is a line, there is something to the fact that we should not always be going around telling people exactly what we think about them. There is a time and a place for that.


UNDERSTAND... I'm referring to those that are overly zealous about being PC... to me, if I'm walking through a dairy barn and step in something oozie and smelling chances are quite strong that it's cow shit, not dung or bovine excrement... at least not in the language of the common human being. Sometimes people take the excuse of politeness and "Tolerance" too far, and that's when it becomes an irritant. It's likewise how organizations get misdirected and start forgetting their purpose, focus, etc. Here's an example;

30 years ago you would find the Gay & Lesbian Community... then they added a "T" so as to include TRANSVESTITES which has been "adjusted" in recent years, to meaning TRANSGENDERED (the former meaning "excluded" the women seeking to become men). Then they added the "B" for bi-sexuals, a "Q" for the more "in your face" Party Kids that are simply rebellious and into social shock (not all of them are homosexual, while many are bi. All of them are irritating in my book; the sort of display the hurts the original Gay & Lesbian cause on the social-political basis). But other odd ball elements of society have had their letter "considered" for this "movement" including a very short-live attempt by Nambla (http://www.nambla.org/ ) to ease its way into things... an action that nearly cost the political arm of the GLBT all of its corporate and private funding and rightfully so.

Nonetheless, you now have whining within the community about "gays that hate gays" or "Homophobia by Gay People" because many (especially the over 40 group) detest all these tag-on elements that have little to nothing to do with the original focus and "need". The PC thing to do is keep your tongue civil when it comes to these other categories (especially if you are anti-drag queen) which I honestly don't believe to be kosher... just like walking through that barn, I know when I smell shit and I'll say such.
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Re: Could loners be more sane/authentic than popular people?

Postby Scepcop » 06 Oct 2010, 22:08

Sometimes, when you see things clearly and discovered yourself, you realize that it's better to spend time alone living an AUTHENTIC life than to be with others going through the motions of pretentiousness. What do you think?
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Re: Could loners be more sane/authentic than popular people?

Postby Scepcop » 06 Oct 2010, 22:09

Question: Are the majority sane or insane? Is the misfit the one who is sane and authentic?

Most people assume that:

1) The majority of people are right, normal, sane, friendly and sociable.
2) Misfits and people who don't follow the herd are crazy, insane and weird. They are the problem and to blame for any incompatibility with others.

However, many great thinkers and intellectuals with deep insight, from ages ago to recent times, have seen through this fallacy, and realized that the reverse was true. Here are some quotes from them:

“The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” - Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

"The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." - H. L. Mencken

“Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.” - Gandhi

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Frederich Nietzsche

"Ninety-nine percent of the people in the world are fools, and the rest of us are in great danger of contagion." - Thornton Wilder

"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong." — Oscar Wilde

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Frederich Nietzsche

"Men have been taught that it is a virtue to agree with others. But the creator is the man who disagrees. Men have been taught that it is a virtue to swim with the current. But the creator is the man who goes against the current. Men have been taught that it is a virtue to stand together. But the creator is the man who stands alone." - Ayn Rand

"Honesty is such a lonely word. Everyone is so untrue..." - Billy Joel, in his hit song "Honesty"

"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." - Eric Fromm (The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)

This parable illustrates the truth that Fromm described very well:

"The parable of the poisoned well

There was once a wise king who ruled over a vast city. He was feared for his might and loved for his wisdom. Now in the heart of the city, there was a well whose waters were pure and crystalline from which the king and all the inhabitants drank. When all were asleep, an enemy entered the city and poured seven drops of a strange liquid into the well. And he said that henceforth all who drink this water shall become mad.

All the people drank of the water, but not the king. And the people began to say, "The king is mad and has lost his reason. Look how strangely he behaves. We cannot be ruled by a madman, so he must be dethroned."

The king grew very fearful, for his subjects were preparing to rise against him. So one evening, he ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the well, and he drank deeply. The next day, there was great rejoicing among the people, for their beloved king had finally regained his reason."


Thus it is sad and no wonder that we live in an upside down world, as Michael Ellner describes in this profound statement:

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion destroys spirituality."
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Re: Could loners be more sane/authentic than popular people?

Postby Scepcop » 06 Oct 2010, 22:26

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Re: Could loners be more sane/authentic than popular people?

Postby Arouet » 06 Oct 2010, 23:20

You need to define what you mean by "sane" or "insane". Just being weird or a loner doesn't mean one is insane.
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Re: Could loners be more sane/authentic than popular people?

Postby Scepcop » 06 Oct 2010, 23:58

Is there such a thing?

The concept of "introfinity" takes aloneness and lonerism to a whole new level.

Introfinity: A transcendent state of being beyond the need for the illusion of 'other'.

http://introfinity.wordpress.com/


This makes sense:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthre ... 908&page=7

Loners certainly think clear than popular people. Because generally, the popular people and all their follwers are westernized (conformed), celebrity captivated drones.

They follow what the person does in front. While a loner doesn't follow anybody but themselves, they think for themselves and form their own opinons.

Those that follow, follow trends and opinons, they're desire and goal in life is to fit and and be accepted.

So, yes....I would certainly say most loners are saner and thinking more clearly than the popular folks. No doubt about it.


Its cos we're all slaves. Those who remember are ousted for not going along with the illusion. Those who choose to be voluntarily brainwashed into forgetting are hoisted up as an example of social success.
Create as much waste as possible, getinto as much debt as possible, breed as many companies (children) as possible, then spend the rest of your life wondering what the hell you've just put yourself through. Everything is possible in hindsight.

Im a loner btw
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Re: Could loners be more sane/authentic than popular people?

Postby Scepcop » 21 Nov 2010, 00:27

Arouet wrote:You need to define what you mean by "sane" or "insane". Just being weird or a loner doesn't mean one is insane.


True. But the point is, if you are different or think outside the box, a lot of people in the mainstream with a groupthink mentality will PERCEIVE you as insane, cause we are programmed to think that way, that normal people conform, weird people don't. We have been conditioned to think that way by the school system, which rewards conformity and punishes dissidence. Some transcend it, but most don't.
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