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Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 29 Nov 2009, 21:48

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6935574.ece

From the article: (I added the bolding)
Jim McCormick, the managing director of ATSC Ltd, a former Merseyside police officer, developed the device ten years ago despite having no scientific or technical background.

He insists that ATSC “only” received $12 million, and the price paid was inflated by commissions and training courses for the operators. He said: “We have been dealing with doubters for ten years. One of the problems we have is that the machine does look a little primitive. We are working on a new model that has flashing lights.” Another reason for the doubts is that apart from the aerial the device contains no working parts at all.

The handheld unit is connected by coaxial cable to a plastic holder into which a plastic card is slotted.

The cards are supposedly pre- programmed with the electromagnetic “resonance” of the substance being detected. He says that the process involves a “proximity” device similar to the security tags used in shops.

In a direct challenge to “manufacturers, distributers and retailers”, Randi states: “ADE651 is a useless quack device which cannot perform any other function than separating naive persons from their money.

“It’s a fake, a scam, a swindle, and a blatant fraud. Prove me wrong and take the million dollars.”
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby ciscop » 01 Dec 2009, 01:46

hahahahahahaha
no working parts and what they are going to do is add them flashing lights!

incredible
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby ProfWag » 01 Dec 2009, 03:54

Sometimes all I can do is shake my head...
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby The Warrigal » 01 Dec 2009, 14:45

I have seen a few professional opal prospectors use dowsing rods.

Most of these men swear by dowsing and only make money if they get results.

However, when I was at Lightning Ridge years back and planning on doing some gold fossicking out West, one of these very same miners, - (a very successful one mind you), - told me that if he was searching for gold, there was no way he would use anything as primitive as divining rods if he was looking for gold, but advised me to buy the best metal detector I could afford.

Within limits I can understand why prospectors might use divining rods to look for very rare jem stones like opal as I know of few, if any, hi-tech devices for finding opal.

(When certainly none that work any better than divining rods but are a helluva lot more expensive)!

BUT.

DIVINING FOR EXPLOSIVE DEVICES! :shock:

I don't know wether to laugh or cry. :?

If the developers of this device are so sure that it works, then they should be out in a minefield demonstrating that it works as they claim.

If they find the mines without blowing themselves sky high, then maybe military forces would be impressed enough to develop this idea further and find out why it works.

Evidently P.T. Barnum's estimate on the birthrate of suckers was overly conservative.

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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 27 Feb 2010, 09:12

The newest twist in this bizarre a story i that the guy who runs the company was indicted in the UK for fraud but :
'Fake' bomb detector deployed to war zones from Feb 18, 2010
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/fake-bomb-detector-deployed-to-war-zones/story-e6frea8l-1225831944373?from=public_rss

From this article we learn:
The manufacturers of the GT200 say it is powered by the user's own static electricity - requiring soldiers to jump up and down before pointing the box and metal rod at potential threats.


There it is - the reason why the device works.
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Craig Browning » 27 Feb 2010, 20:31

I saw this posted on a Magician's forum in the UK some months ago, and while I can understand and have experienced actual Water Witching styled dowsing I start questioning things when it comes to something of this sort... again, to a degree.

There are several members of my family past & present, who are genuine Dowsers that have a considerable reputation as such. I guess you could say that my learning about it young in life was merely a part of family tradition -- a rite of passage. But, unlike most that get drawn into said field, I'm a bit of a realist and must look at things through more logic-based lenses, which is why I say that "treasure hunting" type bits such as you're doing with land mines, isn't something I'd want to entrust a novice on... someone that's only just learned how to work an overly complicated "state of the art" dowsing system vs. someone with years of "legit" practice and a very high rate of success. My experiences suggesting that locating something static is far more difficult than the whole flowing water idea, and even at that I still believe it's the subconscious mind that "sees" whatever the subtle differences are in the lay of the land, etc. that allows the ideomotor element to take over in some way.

Dowsing is a very ancient "science" that was seen as legitimate well into the mid-19th century. The practice of it has been qualified as both, a gift as well as a bane of god's (depending on which church you belonged to, if any) e.g. it could get you dead or canonized :? For much of human history Dowsing was a part of the Surveyor's education & skills, such as we've seen depicted in the life of George Washington (and a few other founding fathers).

It's certainly something to contemplate
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 28 Feb 2010, 06:28

The issue here is that no one is teaching dowsing or providing the devices to anyone with dowsing abilities. These are devices that show no ability to detect bombs and the cost runs between $10K and $50K. It's a scam. The Brits have finally arrested the owner and charged him with fraud.
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Craig Browning » 01 Mar 2010, 01:26

Nostradamus wrote:The issue here is that no one is teaching dowsing or providing the devices to anyone with dowsing abilities. These are devices that show no ability to detect bombs and the cost runs between $10K and $50K. It's a scam. The Brits have finally arrested the owner and charged him with fraud.



Yes, I understand that... but I live in a country that's paid over $100,000.00 for toilet seats and a million for a coffee pot :lol:
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 01 Mar 2010, 02:59

So how many people died from buying an overpriced toilet seat?
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 01 Mar 2010, 03:28

The story is becoming even more convoluted.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/international/middle_east/view.bg?articleid=1234864&srvc=rss

Iraq is suing over the devices, but only those that let bombs get through! :roll:
They are keeping those that work in use.

I even got the prices a little low. They cost $16.5K to $60K.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/16/thailand.bomb.scanner/index.html?section=cnn_latest
A bomb scanner sold to dozens of countries around the world has been shown to be useless at detecting explosives, the Thai government said, raising the possibility that thousands of lives have been lost to bomb attacks because of ineffective screenings.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100223/wl_mideast_afp/iraqbritainweaponstradeinquiry_20100223132447
"More than 50 percent are good, and the rest we will change," he said, referring to the proportion of the detectors found to be defective after an investigation ordered by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

Its director Jim McCormick was arrested by British police on suspicion of fraud by misrepresentation earlier this year. He was bailed pending further investigation.
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 01 Mar 2010, 10:59

From the Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schneider/thai-military-intelligenc_b_473260.html
They found that the device is less likely to detect anything than simply guessing (20% vs. 25%). Or, as the Bangkok Post has stated:
It has been officially confirmed: the GT200 is a con, a fraud, a crime. The so-called bomb detector has become the most expensive dowsing rod ever - costing the hard-working Thai taxpayer some 800 million baht. Many must have become rich from this GT200 scam. Many others must have been killed, injured, disabled, or arrested because of its inaccuracies.


The BP has also reported that some soldiers have begun simply using chopsticks in lieu of the GT200, and are finding similar levels of success.
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Craig Browning » 03 Mar 2010, 04:13

I just picked up a copy of Richard Webster's THE ART OF DOWSING that I'd really recommend to one and all given how he's documented the use of Dowsing by the military over the past 200 or so years... some very interesting insights about locating unexploded ordnance at the end of WWI and the dowser even identified which nation each round belonged to. He also points out how Military Engineers during Vietnam used Dowsing Rods & Pendulums to locate booby traps, tunnel systems, water (drinkable), and of course mines and their unusual success rate... of which, Richard goes into several interesting accounts in which legit SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE points to the probability that there is far more involved with dowsing as a whole, than mere ideomotor reaction.

The book is quite easy to read and packed full of some great insights as well as challenges for those suffering from Lost Belief Syndrome. ;)
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 03 Mar 2010, 04:32

Regardless of whether or not I believe in dowsing I am interested in learning about dowsing.

Is this something only a few can do or do well, or is this something most people can do?
Can it learned or is it an innate ability?
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Nostradamus » 03 Mar 2010, 04:35

I just checked out our local library. It seems that there are 2 books on dowsing, but in the part of the county famous for its ex-hippie communes. It's an hour away. I think I'll ask for the Webster book to sent over here.
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Re: Dowsing rods for bomb detection

Postby Craig Browning » 03 Mar 2010, 04:50

Nostradamus wrote:Regardless of whether or not I believe in dowsing I am interested in learning about dowsing.

Is this something only a few can do or do well, or is this something most people can do?
Can it learned or is it an innate ability?


The answer is Yes and Yes... not everyone is successful initially and as Richard points out, having a seasoned dowser working with you and even placing their hand on your shoulder as you practice, can help you improve your abilities. But either way, everyone has this innate ability and he explains why he believes that is so (If you buy the whole Intelligent Design concept you aren't going to like what Richard says though....)

I'd suggest you look on eBay under used copies... I got this one for a buck
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