03 Nov 2009, 23:00
SeanRMR wrote:Umm wind and solar don't have no input after you set up the hardware the supplied input is wind and light. So no they don't quallify as free energy machines.
03 Nov 2009, 23:18
Scepcop wrote:Will you skeptics admit that the energy cartels are behind the suppression of battery powered cars? That technology has existed for a long time you know. They can even now run cars on water, believe it or not.
Why are skeptics denying everything, including the most obvious things?
04 Nov 2009, 02:43
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04 Nov 2009, 05:13
WhiteTiger wrote:What I find really amusing about these discussions is the knee jerk dismissal of "free energy" machines by the skeptics/debunkers, when such machines have been known and in daily use for centuries.
The windmill for instance dates back to around the 10th century IIRC. Most forms of solar, wind and water power qualify as free energy devices, since they produce useful energy without the need of supplying an input once the hardware is manufactured and in place.
Even the most whacked out "inventors" of over unity machines for the most part claim to be making use of some as yet untapped source of energy already present in the environment, be it the much touted ZPE or some hairbrained scheme for transforming matter into energy by means other than combustion, fission or fusion.
"Free energy" machines are all around us in this techno-culture, so sneering at the term itself seems quite the ignorant pursuit, imo.
04 Nov 2009, 14:34
SeanRMR wrote:I think Brett you have covered all the real points in the electric car front. The new technologies coming out are pretty awesome. Though my prediction is atleast 5 to 10 more years before we start to see a real gain in non petrol cars. Here in Australia though it will probably be more like 20 as we never give our cars up till they die.
For me to move to electric I'd need a car that can take my kayak and get down the roads to canyoning places. Also a lot higher wage then I have now with which to afford any current electric car system close to capable of that.
I wonder if subaru will make an electric outback that would be awesome.
05 Nov 2009, 04:44
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05 Nov 2009, 13:41
Nostradamus wrote:So-called free energies such as wind, solar, and water have their cons. They can destroy bird populations, bat populations, and fish populations. Solar panel production used to involve some very dangerous chemicals such as arsine and phosgene, hydrofluoric acid, powerful strippers, etc.
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02 Dec 2009, 16:32
ciscop wrote:well i was talking about perpetual moving machines
which are impossible by our current understanding
and wind, solar and water are not free energy machines since there is an INPUT of energy
02 Dec 2009, 16:53
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