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New Theory Explains How Objective Reality Emerges

Postby really? » 10 Nov 2012, 12:14

Quantum theory is one of the most profound discoveries of humanity. In my view, it’s on a par with Cuban cigars and single malt whiskey. The theory has been hugely successful in showing us the inner workings of the universe. However, it is plagued by serious problems and provokes fiery debates, such as the giant argument that erupted on the Cosmic Variance blog a couple of weeks ago. One of these problems is the unanswered question of how the everyday macroscopic world emerges from its strangely behaving microscopic constituents.

Let me put it this way. Nobody doubts that the moon is circling the Earth even when we’re not looking. In the microworld, however, quantum objects can behave as if they were created by the mere act of observation. It goes like this: you open a box and you see an atom there. Can you infer that it was there the moment before you looked inside? The mind-boggling answer is NO! This was proven theoretically in 1964 by John Bell and later confirmed experimentally, beginning with the work of John Clauser and others in the early 1970s (described in a classic Scientific American article by Bernard d’Espagnat). If the same were true for the moon, it would be like saying that the act of looking into the night sky made the moon appear.

So where does this leave us?
Have you ever wondered ? Of course you have. So go and read to see how it does. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/gue ... tum-world/
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Re: New Theory Explains How Objective Reality Emerges

Postby Bigpicture » 12 Nov 2012, 05:42

That is conundrum. The reason that I logged on to this site to begin with was because of an earlier posted Article about debunking the Law of Attraction. As far as I could see the Article was all based on non-empirical evidence and not scientific at all. This Quantum thing that basically implies "you see what you expect to see" is the scientific side of that same coin. So all the Article BS about "belief" and "faith" as proof that it does not work, is not proof at all. What is "genuine" belief, as opposed to pretend or false belief, and how do you know that you have it? What is "genuine" faith, and how do you know when you have it?

As to the seeming opposition between the microscopic and the macroscopic, there will have to be some other branches of science blended together to eventually give the whole picture. But in the meantime I offer this theoretical explanation: If you consider the whole Universe to be some form of conscious mechanism, (in totality) and we are just separate individuated units of consciousness that separated from that totality. There are some pieces of scientific evidence that would support that theory. (how thoughts effect plants, and water freezing patterns etc.) That in spite of the experience of separateness there is a consciousness connection at some different level.

Our individual consciousnesses are very limited when compared to the whole (after all ours appears to have sprung out of the whole) and there is no reason to believe that there are not other beings who inhabit the Universe who are 100 or a 1000 times more conscious than us. So our consciousness "expectations" may effect the microscopic universe, but the moon probably does revolve around the earth because "something" is conscious of it all the time. (and it is probably not us)
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Re: New Theory Explains How Objective Reality Emerges

Postby really? » 17 Nov 2012, 00:05

I consider what you said is lacking any empirical evidence whatsoever. And for the record what you've speculated is not a theory.
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Re: New Theory Explains How Objective Reality Emerges

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 21 Nov 2012, 21:47

lengthy comment failed to post. Please search on the scecop forum for my posts on the lucisphere. will try to find pertinant passage.

Found it, last on list, first in time, thread "Y does God allow evil?" or such!
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Re: New Theory Explains How Objective Reality Emerges

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 21 Nov 2012, 21:50

Twain Shakespeare wrote:lengthy comment failed to post. Please search on the scecop forum for my posts on the lucispere. will try to find pertinant passage

My Left brain has loathed the paradoxes in the abstract ideal of Plato's Triple O for forty years. "Twain" prefers ideas to have referents in the real world.

I am more convinced than ever that Plato's abstract version of a transcendent “God” is a logical impossibility. That's the fourth of the "things" I "know" are true, as I said in my math mysticism post.

Yet for at least thirty years, I have noticed there is "something" in the universe that fulfills the strict definitions of the terms all powerful. all knowing, all good, and even all present.

It is the "lucisphere", the "field of light", which consists of the interaction of all light from the moment the universe became transparent to the last flicker of heat death (if that is the life-cycle of the universe.)

For this "entity", rather it has any awareness, or is merely force, is all powerful in the sense that it is the source of all energy aside from magneticism and motion (and if matter is merely light squared on itself, the term is more apt.)

Photons have minimal awareness. This implies the "lucisphere" is "all knowing" It simultaneously is aware of everything that is aware of it thru all time and space, and it keeps them in agreement. Light appears to me to be the likeliest candidate for quantum mechanics' universal decider, and for, in Platonic and Christian terms, the “Logos” “For the word was God, and the word was “Light'!”
(Cherry picking, I know, but as the Unitarians say, “If it helps us, it comes from God. If it doesn't, it doesn't.” That tells you what the cherries are.)

Light is even as omnibenevolent as Mark Twain's version of the Great Spirit. It shines alike on Auschwitz and zebras.

Light is not transcendent, but as far as immanence goes, it is the most impressive fact of this universe, and the largest real object I have ever found to contemplate. Ben Masada, you are welcome to incorporate this idea in your Christian atheism. It sustained me as a Christian when I was drowning in the non divine bs, and it sustains me when I realize Pascal's universe is full of light.

By the way, stopping “evil” is not its function. I believe “evil” falls in three classes.
Physical evils, earthquakes, floods, etc, are simply Murphy at work, and not personal.
The suffering that comes from being organic beings is part of the process and of being trapped in a moment. From the eternal perspective, it is the shadow of contrast, and a needed part of the picture.
The unneeded suffering humans cause each other is the result of laziness and stupidity. Its our job to do and to learn. Are teachers evil when they flunk students?

As for the specifically Christian God “flunking” the majority of the human race, and your metaphor of making a dollar while losing four, whatever “the devil” thinks or the ratio of world to soul is, I do not think souls are negotiable.
Christian soul making is more like refining. What does a ton of slag matter when one finds a diamond? What do a thousand caterpillars eaten by birds matter when one gets a butterfly? (They matter to the birds)

Did I answer your question, Scecop?"What's so Funny about Peace, Love, and Understanding?"
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