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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 11 Jun 2010, 05:20

I have browsed the JREF boards a few times, and I find them far from being critical
thinkers. The vast majority of them are pseudoskeptics, and unlike this forum, they
are given unbridled and unrestricted freedom to indulge in fallacy, insults, ridicule believers
and operate with pack like mentality. At least on this forum, such things will get openly
challenged. Moreover, and this is something you should agree to, skeptics on this forum are
never treated any lesser than believers, but are given the same freedoms and believers do
not form packs and try to shout down the skeptic. The believer readily engages every point
the skeptic makes, never leaving any of their points unanswered.(The same is not true of the
skeptic however)

If you want me to deal with the so-called critical thinkers on JREF invite them here, and I will
deal with everything they say point by point. Even if the man Randi himself came here, I would
have no problem. Send over the most intelligent, most educated member from JREF, because
even they will not be able to defend materialism. Materialism is completely illogical.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby NinjaPuppy » 11 Jun 2010, 05:33

Indigo Child wrote:If you want me to deal with the so-called critical thinkers on JREF invite them here, and I will
deal with everything they say point by point. Even if the man Randi himself came here, I would
have no problem. Send over the most intelligent, most educated member from JREF, because
even they will not be able to defend materialism. Materialism is completely illogical.

Sooner or later a few of the JREF lurkers will come out of the darkness and pop in, they usually do from time to time. However it does seem that our resident skeptics have suddenly gotten very quiet. Perhaps you have them stumped? I would like to think so. :D
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Re: Human Flying

Postby really? » 11 Jun 2010, 10:12

NinjaPuppy wrote:
Indigo Child wrote:If you want me to deal with the so-called critical thinkers on JREF invite them here, and I will
deal with everything they say point by point. Even if the man Randi himself came here, I would
have no problem. Send over the most intelligent, most educated member from JREF, because
even they will not be able to defend materialism. Materialism is completely illogical.

Sooner or later a few of the JREF lurkers will come out of the darkness and pop in, they usually do from time to time. However it does seem that our resident skeptics have suddenly gotten very quiet. Perhaps you have them stumped? I would like to think so. :D


Not stumped.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Flatman22 » 29 Sep 2011, 12:34

If you want to see scientific proof of human thought affecting matter, check out the Global Consciousness Project. I first found it on Discovery Channel's, Through the Wormhole. If you can, watch the entire episode on 6th sense. Anyway, it's based on the reaction that Random Number Generators have to people who think about the outcome of the random numbers. It proves both future events manipulation and a shared consciousness.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby ProfWag » 29 Sep 2011, 20:56

Flatman22 wrote:If you want to see scientific proof of human thought affecting matter, check out the Global Consciousness Project. I first found it on Discovery Channel's, Through the Wormhole. If you can, watch the entire episode on 6th sense. Anyway, it's based on the reaction that Random Number Generators have to people who think about the outcome of the random numbers. It proves both future events manipulation and a shared consciousness.

"Proof" is such a harsh word. There's some interesting stuff going on there though and I did watch Morgan's show...
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Re: Human Flying

Postby craig weiler » 29 Sep 2011, 22:58

I have browsed the JREF boards a few times, and I find them far from being critical
thinkers. The vast majority of them are pseudoskeptics, and unlike this forum, they
are given unbridled and unrestricted freedom to indulge in fallacy, insults, ridicule believers
and operate with pack like mentality. At least on this forum, such things will get openly
challenged.


The skepticism here is just as boring and lacking in critical thinking as it is everywhere else. Yes, the discussions are more intelligent, but it all comes down to the same thing. The evidence is never good enough for them. Ever.

I do not understand why they all seem so obsessed with the paranormal, only to dismiss it at every turn. It seems insane to me.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Arouet » 30 Sep 2011, 00:24

craig weiler wrote:The skepticism here is just as boring and lacking in critical thinking as it is everywhere else. Yes, the discussions are more intelligent, but it all comes down to the same thing. The evidence is never good enough for them. Ever.


Well, I guess I an appreciate a small compliment in there, but you seem to be judging critical thinking ont he conclusions rather than the thought process.

I do not understand why they all seem so obsessed with the paranormal, only to dismiss it at every turn. It seems insane to me.


Who'se obsessed? these are interesting topics!
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Re: Human Flying

Postby craig weiler » 30 Sep 2011, 03:03

Well, I guess I an appreciate a small compliment in there, but you seem to be judging critical thinking ont he conclusions rather than the thought process.


Yes, I'm judging the critical thinking. I have not seen you or the other skeptics demonstrate real objectivity or openness.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Arouet » 30 Sep 2011, 03:07

craig weiler wrote:Yes, I'm judging the critical thinking. I have not seen you or the other skeptics demonstrate real objectivity or openness.


With all due respect, as soon as we get into a somewhat detailed conversation you snap it off with a put down.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby craig weiler » 30 Sep 2011, 04:08

With all due respect, as soon as we get into a somewhat detailed conversation you snap it off with a put down.


I'm sure that's the way you see it. What I see is that is that I've just stepped on the skeptic denial merry-go-round and it's time to get off.

I'm a decisive person. My income relies on it and I have to be very focused on whether something is worth my time and effort. This naturally carries over into conversations on line; I will not endlessly discuss a topic if I'm fairly certain nothing useful will come of it. I'm not singling you out here, this is endemic to the skepticism I've been exposed to. It's all useless round and round discussions where the skeptic always holds back acceptance of psi no matter how much evidence they're exposed to.

About one skeptic in ten seems to be actually objective and they don't take very long to be persuaded that psi is real.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby ProfWag » 30 Sep 2011, 06:29

craig weiler wrote:
Well, I guess I an appreciate a small compliment in there, but you seem to be judging critical thinking ont he conclusions rather than the thought process.


Yes, I'm judging the critical thinking. I have not seen you or the other skeptics demonstrate real objectivity or openness.

Unfortunately it appears that if any skeptic doesn't become a believer, then that skeptic will never meet the objectivity or openness requirement you are seeking. My opinion of what you are saying is that no one should be skeptical of psi. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I can't speak for arouet or other skeptics on the board, but I don't think we're saying your evidence is complete bull-hocky, we're just saying that the evidence that has been presented has yet to be accepted as valid enough to change the word "paranormal" to just plain "normal."
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Re: Human Flying

Postby craig weiler » 30 Sep 2011, 07:25

You're going to think I'm obnoxious for this, but yes. You are a skeptic only until you encounter evidence. As there is a ton of evidence from a wide variety of sources, continued skepticism indicates an emotional reason for non acceptance. If you were actually objective and open you would have come to the conclusion already that psi is real. Most of the world's population knows this already with or without scientific studies and it is perfectly explainable with existing physics.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Arouet » 30 Sep 2011, 10:39

(and you wonder why each side levels the same criticisms at each other!)
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Re: Human Flying

Postby craig weiler » 30 Sep 2011, 12:11

I understand how you feel, but remember, I'm psychic; I have first hand experience with this and I know what it is. You are learning about something which you really know nothing about. You have chosen to approach this with doubt, but so what? Psi is still real. You are going to discover this sooner or later.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Jayhawker30 » 30 Sep 2011, 12:56

craig weiler wrote:It seems insane to me.


Insanity is the only reward for those that play this game.
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