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Re: Human Flying

Postby ProfWag » 09 Jun 2010, 18:23

Indigo Child wrote: but you will have to show me if there are insufficient controls in the
others I cited as well.

For your Osis, Mitchell, and Ingo Swann experiment, I present this:
'He was given a clipboard to use for sketching. Any movement while drawing did not result in "artefacts" in the brain readout.[12] Although his out-stretched hand might not have extended far enough to reach the suspended shelf, the clipboard that he used for sketching could have been employed as an extension. Perhaps with a mirror held by the clip at the high end, the lower end grasped by the fingers of his extended hand. In Swann's book To Kiss Earth Goodbye there is a photograph of the objects on the shelf. Swann wrote that he was aware of most of the objects on shelf above his head, but he did not know it held four numbers on a side. A side that would not have been visible if a reflecting surface had been angled near the end. Writing about this experiment master magician Milbourne Christopher asks the questions why were the target objects in the same room as the subject? Why were they so close to the subject? And finally, why wasn't an observer also in the room at the time of the experiment?"
Search for the Soul by Milbourne Christopher, Thomas Y. Crowell, 1979
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 01:18

I had found this blurb on Wikipedia myself when researching the Ingo Swan OBE experiment.
Note that it says:

"Swann wrote that he was aware of most of the objects on shelf above his head, but he did not know it held four numbers on a side. A side that would not have been visible if a reflecting surface had been angled near the end. "

Hence, even if Swan did use the drawing board as an extension, he could not get at the target. Further research on this experiment confirms this to be the case:

in 1971 Karlis Osis began to plan OBE research at the American SPR, One of the first subjects to be tested there was Ingo Swann, who went to the laboratory two or three times a week where Janet Mitchell tested him to see whether he could identify a target placed out of sight. A platform was suspended from the ceiling about 10 feet above the ground and divided into two. On either side of a partition various objects were placed and Swann was asked to try to travel up to see them. The reason for the partition was to see whether Swann would identify the correct target for the position in which he claimed it to be. Bright colors and clear familiar shapes seemed most successful and glossy pictures or glass did not work well for the experimental purposes.
After his OBE, Swann usually made drawings of what he had ‘seen.’ Although these drawings were far from perfect renderings of the original objects, they were similar enough that when eight sets of targets and respondes were given to an independent judge she correctly matched every pair; a result which is likely to happen by chance only once in about 40,000 times [Mit73].
The results of all these experiment were most encouraging.

http://www.nderf.org/obe_dream_faqs_nde ... OB_vision_


Thus the theory of using his drawing board as an extension with a mirror can be ruled out owing the fact that the targets would not have been visible due the height and partition. Moreover, Ingo Swaan is a credible subject, and has been investigated by many reputed scientists and subjected to vigorous tests. However, having said all of this, I still will only take this experiment as being suggestive of the reality of OBE, and again not conclusive. Like Dr Tart's study it lacks an observer present in the room or CCTV footage of the test subject and the target is present within the same room as the subject.
I will only accept a study as conclusive if a subject is able to see a target in another location. Now having said that, I will point you to studies that do exactly that:

Other experimenters including Robert Morris at the Psychical Foundation of North Carolina spent two years investigating OBEs. A volunteer subject Keith 'Blue' Harary, who claimed to have been having out of body experiences since childhood, was able to lie down in a sealed laboratory room and project himself to another house twenty yards away. While there he was able to read letters and report accurately on which experimenters were sitting there and where they were sitting.

In the United States, Karlis Osis and Boneita Perskari spent several years doing scientific research with an excellent OBE subject, Alex Tanous, and were able to achieve significant results. One particular test involved Tanous traveling astrally to a different place miles away to visit a particular office to see what was on the table then report back. Tanous did not know that at this office a psychic, Christine Whiting, was waiting to see if she could see anyone coming to visit. With her clairvoyant sight she was able to see Tanous come into the office and as well she described in detail his position and the shirt with rolled-up sleeves and the corduroy pants he was wearing (Williams 1989: 35-36).

French researchers including Professor Richet spent many years having the exteriorized body move material objects, produce raps at a distance and affect photographic plates and calcium screens. They photographed exteriorization.
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/chapter07.html

The late Karlis Osis, of the American Society for Psychical Research, sought to determine whether a physical instrument could detect a psychic's "astral body" at the time he was attempting to view a hidden target through his astral vision. Osis installed a strain gauge (which detects extremely subtle physical movements) in front of an optical device in which a graphic "target" was concealed. The setup was such that the image could only be perceived face-on - from the place where the strain-gauge was located; otherwise, from a different angle, a viewer would only see overlapping lines. The psychic Alex Tannous, who was not told about the strain gauge, was asked to attempt to project in front of the optical apparatus, and describe what he saw. Osis found that the strain gauge registered significantly more movement in those trials in which Tannous gave correct descriptions of the target. The implication may be that some facet of Tannous' mind was indeed "projecting" in front of the optical apparatus.

In the mid-1970s, Dr. Robert Morris and his colleagues conducted an interesting experiment with psi researcher Keith Harary as subject. Like Miss Z, Harary - at the time a psychology student - seemed able to voluntarily induce an OBE. His kitten, enclosed in a cage and constantly filmed, was to act as a biological detector of Harary, who would attempt to 'project' his consciousness into the cage from a distant room. Indeed, it was found that the kitten's agitation - its movements in the cage - was significantly reduced specifically at the moments at which Harary had been instructed to project his consciousness into the cage. Over time, however, the kitten's "baseline agitation" decreased, and its reactions to Keith Harary seem to have declined - perhaps as it became habituated to the experimental conditions (i.e., being locked in a cage!)

http://www.parapsych.org/out_of_body_experiences.htm

In all these studies I have mentioned there are sufficient controls and all involve the subject having to project to another location to see a target/s, they also involve some kind of detector at the location to detect the astral body. These are therefore conclusive studies for the reality of astral projection.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 01:46

caniswalensis wrote:
Indigo Child wrote:Please get into the habit of giving evidence for every claim you make.


AMEN! I wish every person would follow your sugesstion, IC!


It is something that should be expected from anybody, especially somebody
who has had an education. Evidence can be of many kinds.

1) It can be phenomenological/experential
2) It can be rational or logical
3) It can be anecdotal and experimental

I am a great believer in reason and logic, and I have never found logic to fail me.
Whatever I know logically to be true, I can experentially validate. The reality of psychic/Yogic
powers are very logical if one logically understands the nature of reality and formulates a correct
ontological map of it. It is then clear it is all mind. This can then be backed up by anecodtal
and experimental evidence and the ultimate proof is the experience of it. I am in no further need of proof
of the fact that I am not this body and my conscousness exists separately from it, because I have
had direct experience of it. It is as much factual to me as the sky is blue is factual. Simlarly, I am
in no need of proof of seeing auras, healing powers and telepathy, as I have directly experienced
them myself.

The only person who is need of proof is the person who has not experienced them. In order for them
to experience them they need to conduct certain practices and undertake certain training, which requires
on their part time, effort and commitment. The higher powers like levitation will require a lifetime of
practice as this is at masters stage. I myself would never undertake such practices, if there is was no
evidence showing how and why they work. I know how and why they work due my training in philosophy,
so I can proceed with the practices with utter conviction. Now, there are planty of scientific studies showing
these practices work as well. There is another dimension of reality that in the modern age, due to a rejection
of mind in favour of matter, has been left untapped. However, which has been very vigorously researched
in the East. As a result the West today is very poor in spirit. Ones spiritual development is the true marker of
development, and in those terms our modern age is extremely underdeveloped.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 04:46

Human Levitation possible

Levitation has been elevated from being pure science fiction to science fact, according to a study reported today by physicists.

Professor Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin, from the University of St Andrews in Scotland, have worked out a way of reversing this pheneomenon, known as the Casimir force, so that it repels instead of attracts.

Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person.

The Casimir force is a consequence of quantum mechanics, the theory that describes the world of atoms and subatomic particles that is not only the most successful theory of physics but also the most baffling.

The force is due to neither electrical charge or gravity, for example, but the fluctuations in all-pervasive energy fields in the intervening empty space between the objects and is one reason atoms stick together, also explaining a “dry glue” effect that enables a gecko to walk across a ceiling.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1559579 ... ation.html

If the Casimir forces polarity is changed so that it repels instead of attracts, an object can be made to levitate, including a human being. Now recall how the Yogasutras says levitation is possible, by Samayama(perfect concentration) on the upwards/repulsive force called Udana Vayu the Yogi is able to levitate above the ground and walk over water. Interestingly, these pranas(subtle forces) are in the etheric level of reality, and the casmir subtle force is also in the ether(zero point energy field) Yet, even more confirmation that these Yoga powers are actually possible from quantum physics. It does not take a leap of faith then to accept that the levitation reports found throughout human cultures are actually genuine.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby really? » 10 Jun 2010, 05:35

Indigo Child wrote:Human Levitation possible

Levitation has been elevated from being pure science fiction to science fact, according to a study reported today by physicists.

Professor Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin, from the University of St Andrews in Scotland, have worked out a way of reversing this pheneomenon, known as the Casimir force, so that it repels instead of attracts.

Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person.

The Casimir force is a consequence of quantum mechanics, the theory that describes the world of atoms and subatomic particles that is not only the most successful theory of physics but also the most baffling.

The force is due to neither electrical charge or gravity, for example, but the fluctuations in all-pervasive energy fields in the intervening empty space between the objects and is one reason atoms stick together, also explaining a “dry glue” effect that enables a gecko to walk across a ceiling.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1559579 ... ation.html

If the Casimir forces polarity is changed so that it repels instead of attracts, an object can be made to levitate, including a human being. Now recall how the Yogasutras says levitation is possible, by Samayama(perfect concentration) on the upwards/repulsive force called Udana Vayu the Yogi is able to levitate above the ground and walk over water. Interestingly, these pranas(subtle forces) are in the etheric level of reality, and the casmir subtle force is also in the ether(zero point energy field) Yet, even more confirmation that these Yoga powers are actually possible from quantum physics. It does not take a leap of faith then to accept that the levitation reports found throughout human cultures are actually genuine.


Oh yes it does take a leap of faith. Do you actually understand what the Casimir Force is ? No fair if you have to look it up first. Do you understand what 'in principle' means ?
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 06:00

Oh yes it does take a leap of faith. Do you actually understand what the Casimir Force is ? No fair if you have to look it up first. Do you understand what 'in principle' means ?


Yep, I understand what it is. In principle means that is within the realms of possibility. At the moment they can only levitate small objects, they
later can levitate larger objects. What is interesting here is the casimir force in the quantum vacuum is equivalent to the pranic forces in the ether
predicted by Yoga. In both cases this subtle force is manipulated in order to levitate. I think we have a match.

I told you earlier quantum physics has completely changed our worldview. The current scientific worldview is just as etherial as the Yogic ones. Before
there is anything we call matter in Yoga everything is pranic flows. In quantum physics before there is anything called matter everything is quantum flux.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby really? » 10 Jun 2010, 07:54

Indigo Child wrote:
Oh yes it does take a leap of faith. Do you actually understand what the Casimir Force is ? No fair if you have to look it up first. Do you understand what 'in principle' means ?


Yep, I understand what it is. In principle means that is within the realms of possibility. At the moment they can only levitate small objects, they
later can levitate larger objects. What is interesting here is the casimir force in the quantum vacuum is equivalent to the pranic forces in the ether
predicted by Yoga. In both cases this subtle force is manipulated in order to levitate. I think we have a match.

I told you earlier quantum physics has completely changed our worldview. The current scientific worldview is just as etherial as the Yogic ones. Before
there is anything we call matter in Yoga everything is pranic flows. In quantum physics before there is anything called matter everything is quantum flux.


Since you don't understand the Casimir force I've provided a few videos that clearly explains what it is. Note while listening carefully the Casimir Force is only useful in a vacuum away from electromagnetic forces and where gravitational forces are negligible. I've also provided a few more decidedly scientific articles for you to read.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 091137.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 144759.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaihbfM3C5k&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8X7VRoxGs

This short article explains best why not.
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=5460
Whether you like it or not [ I'm sure you don't ] the Casimir force does not explain human levitation.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 08:39

Nope, I understand it alright. I think what you dont understand that the article above
shows scientists have worked out how to use the casmir force and how to turn it
into a repulsive force to levitate objects.

Moreover, you have not caught my point that the casmir force is caused by flux
in the quantum vacuum(differs from an ordinary vacuum) which is what causes
two metal plates to attract in a vacuum. This is what is meant by casimir force.
Likewise, pranic flows from the ether cause forces in the physical, this force is
manipulated by the yogis to achieve levitation. We have a match.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby really? » 10 Jun 2010, 18:21

Indigo Child wrote:Nope, I understand it alright. I think what you dont understand that the article above
shows scientists have worked out how to use the casmir force and how to turn it
into a repulsive force to levitate objects.

Moreover, you have not caught my point that the casmir force is caused by flux
in the quantum vacuum(differs from an ordinary vacuum) which is what causes
two metal plates to attract in a vacuum. This is what is meant by casimir force.
Likewise, pranic flows from the ether cause forces in the physical, this force is
manipulated by the yogis to achieve levitation. We have a match.


I had great hopes these articles and vids would clarify what the nature of the Casimir force is.
Things you missed. The Casimir force works over microscopically small distances on the order of nano-meter scales. It is strongest over those distances and becomes significantly weak at greater distances. It works best in a vacuum because there are not other forces caused by the presence of matter. Watch the first vid again. Casimir levitation occurs at nano-meter scales with nano-machines. * Casimir repulsion; This affect only occurs in fluids if the fluid has a greater density than the object experiencing Casimir repulsive levitation. Why doesn't the Casimir force explain human levitation ? Humans have an average density is 1010 kg/m³ 1.01 g/cm³. The density of air at sea level is 1.2 kg/m3 at 20 Cel. or 0.0012 gm3. Air can be considered a fluid. But as I hope no pray you can see that since the human body has a mass far greater than that of air and that the Casimir force becomes greatly weaker with distance no human can be levitated by the Casimir force over distances of feet or meter. I also hope you now understand that the levitation is only at the nano-scale.

* Citation
Measured long-range repulsive Casimir–Lifshitz forces
Quantum fluctuations create intermolecular forces that pervade macroscopic bodies1, 2, 3. At molecular separations of a few nanometres or less, these interactions are the familiar van der Waals forces4. However, as recognized in the theories of Casimir, Polder and Lifshitz5, 6, 7, at larger distances and between macroscopic condensed media they reveal retardation effects associated with the finite speed of light. Although these long-range forces exist within all matter, only attractive interactions have so far been measured between material bodies8, 9, 10, 11. Here we show experimentally that, in accord with theoretical prediction12, the sign of the force can be changed from attractive to repulsive by suitable choice of interacting materials immersed in a fluid. The measured repulsive interaction is found to be weaker than the attractive. However, in both cases the magnitude of the force increases with decreasing surface separation. Repulsive Casimir–Lifshitz forces could allow quantum levitation of objects in a fluid and lead to a new class of switchable nanoscale devices with ultra-low static friction13, 14, http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 07610.html

Image
This is an artist's rendition of how the repulsive Casimir-Lifshitz force between suitable materials in a fluid can be used to quantum mechanically levitate a small object of density greater than the liquid. Figures are not drawn to scale. In the foreground a gold sphere, immersed in Bromobenzene, levitates above a silica plate. Background: when the plate is replaced by one of gold levitation is impossible because the Casimir-Lifshitz force is always attractive between identical materials. (Credit: Courtesy of the lab of Federico Capasso, Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences)


Btw something I'd bet you don't know. You don't have to be a yogi, holyman or even meditate too let pranic energies flow in order to levitate. As a matter of fact you don't even have to give it a second thought if you want to levitate as you are doing it all the time. I''l let you figure this one out. This isn't a trick question either.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 10 Jun 2010, 19:19

I think what you continue to miss is what the scientists are saying:

Professor Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin, from the University of St Andrews in Scotland, have worked out a way of reversing this pheneomenon, known as the Casimir force, so that it repels instead of attracts.

Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person.

They are saying this force can be used to levitate larger objects, when manipulated. It is not possible yet, but it is possible in the future:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Casimir- ... 7329.shtml


By harnessing a force that generally makes matter stick together, a team of researchers from the University of St. Andrews that had previously demonstrated that invisibility cloaks could one day be feasible, showed that they can levitate objects by reversing the effects of the Casimir force. The same phenomenon is said to be able to levitate a whole person in the near future.


The technology to levitate objects as big as a human being is already available; however, this is the first time when the Casimir effect is mentioned for such an application. Although, the Casimir-Polder force acts on very small distances, usually between objects under a micrometer apart, the newly designed lens may be able to considerably extend that distance, said Dr Philbin.


This sort of reminds me of silly arguments skeptics make when debating quantum teleportation of larger objects. They argue that we have only been able to teleport microscopic objects, and then raise doubts on whether the same could be done for larger objects. The fallacy in their argument is their issue is a technological issue, not a scientific issue. According to the science it is possible to teleport any object, it just happens that our current technology only allows teleportation of microscopic objects. Similarly, the casmir force at the moment is detected only as a micro force, but it can actually be amplified. The energy in the vacuum field is potentially infinite. So in principle we can amplify it manifold times.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby really? » 10 Jun 2010, 20:50

Indigo Child wrote:I think what you continue to miss is what the scientists are saying:

Professor Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin, from the University of St Andrews in Scotland, have worked out a way of reversing this pheneomenon, known as the Casimir force, so that it repels instead of attracts.

Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person.

They are saying this force can be used to levitate larger objects, when manipulated. It is not possible yet, but it is possible in the future:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Casimir- ... 7329.shtml


By harnessing a force that generally makes matter stick together, a team of researchers from the University of St. Andrews that had previously demonstrated that invisibility cloaks could one day be feasible, showed that they can levitate objects by reversing the effects of the Casimir force. The same phenomenon is said to be able to levitate a whole person in the near future.


The technology to levitate objects as big as a human being is already available; however, this is the first time when the Casimir effect is mentioned for such an application. Although, the Casimir-Polder force acts on very small distances, usually between objects under a micrometer apart, the newly designed lens may be able to considerably extend that distance, said Dr Philbin.


This sort of reminds me of silly arguments skeptics make when debating quantum teleportation of larger objects. They argue that we have only been able to teleport microscopic objects, and then raise doubts on whether the same could be done for larger objects. The fallacy in their argument is their issue is a technological issue, not a scientific issue. According to the science it is possible to teleport any object, it just happens that our current technology only allows teleportation of microscopic objects. Similarly, the casmir force at the moment is detected only as a micro force, but it can actually be amplified. The energy in the vacuum field is potentially infinite. So in principle we can amplify it manifold times.


You can't have it both ways. You I've come to learn believe we create reality. Yet you would rely technological manipulation of the Casimir force to explain human levitation.
I'm not really debating whether the Casimir force can be used to levitate people. What I'm really being critical of is your insistence that the Casimir force accounts for and is the same force used by yogis to levitate. That is a grossly unfounded assumption. In otherwords to say yogis can use the Casimir force without technology is a bunch of BS. If it's not an assumption write out the wave equation that explains how yogis use the Casimir force. I'll pass on the equation to Professor Leonhardt.

Have you figured this out yet
Btw something I'd bet you don't know. You don't have to be a yogi, holyman or even meditate too let pranic energies flow in order to levitate. As a matter of fact you don't even have to give it a second thought if you want to levitate as you are doing it all the time. I''l let you figure this one out. This isn't a trick question either.

Since you are fond of quoting here's another by Professor Leonhardt
"At the moment, in practice it is only going to be possible for micro-objects with the current technology, since this quantum force is small and acts only at short ranges. For now, human levitation remains the subject of cartoons, fairytales and tales of the paranormal.


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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 11 Jun 2010, 03:47

The only leap of faith required here is that mind can be used to manipulate the casimir force, which
otherwise requires technology. However, the fact that the casimir force is identical to the pranic forces
in Yoga is unambigious.

The zero point energy field is basically the ether that ancient spiritual traditions have long said existed,
which was rejected in modern times due to the Michelson morley experiment, which tested for the ether. It
was concluded that the vacuum was completely empty and there was no ether as such underlying it. Now,
we know for a fact that the vacuum is not empty but it is teeming with energy which flucutates in and out
from the virtual zero point energy point and the physical space. In other other words the ancients were right
that beyond physical empty space existed another element, that the Yogis called "Akasha" they have long instited
there is a 5th non-physical element beyond the 4 physical elements within which etheric energy flow, which become
matter when they manifest from the field of akasha, which they called prana, Chinese call chi and Japanese call ki.
This etheric force was regulated by practices to achieve levitation, to create energy balls(chi balls) in martial arts to
break concrete etc. They knew how to amplify these etheric forces to achieive all kinds of effects.

And now what is quantum mechanics doing? It is doing exactly the same thing, it is manipulating etheric forces and amplifying
them to achieive - guess what- levitation, one of the feats the Easterns achieived by manipulating and amplifying etheric forces.
There is certainly a match here, and what is even more striking, the force is called "Udana Vayu" meaning the upwards force. It is
when this etheric upwards force is manipulated that a human can levitate. And what is Professor Leonhardt saying? When you manipulate
the quantum(etheric) force and change its polarity to upwards, it can make things levitate.

In summation: Not only is human levitation possible according to quantum mechanics, it is achieived using the same scientific
principles told in Yoga.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 11 Jun 2010, 04:07

To answer your question that we are already levitating. Yes, because we never actually make contact with
the ground, because the electrons within us and the ground repell each other. So we are alway hovering
above the ground, never actually directly on the ground.

Now the only leap of faith we require is that the mind is able to achieive what technology is able to achieive.
First of all, the reason we struggle to accept that the mind has power over matter, is because of a fundamental
assumption that the mind is just an emergent property of matter. This assumption has not fact been proven to be
true and it in fact is a known fact that mind does affect matter. Are you familiar with psychosomatic effects? A psycho
somatic effect is when a psychological state can a change within a physical state. Such as giving somebody positive ideas
can actually cause them to have positive physical states. In the past few decades several studies have been conducted on
mind over matter, and positive results have been obtained. I can fill the next few pages with these studies.

The assumptions we began the modern age with have been proven false and our scientific view today is almost identiical
to the Yogic view. We are pretty much on the cusp of admitting that the universe is mind stuff, and responds to minds. All
the powers in Yoga, we now know are technologically possible in quantum mechanics. The only thing that remains to be admitted
that these powers can be achieived by using the mind. Do you not believe in the powers the mind has? It can do everything that
technology can and more.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby really? » 11 Jun 2010, 04:41

[quote="Indigo Child"][/quote]
So says you. You still have only provided an argument from belief. Saying what you've said over and over does not make it anymore true this time than all the previous times.
I really wish you had the ability to step back and cross examine yourself and apply the critical thinking which this forum says it's all about. But if you are unable to self cross examine then come on over to the JREF there will be lots of ordinary people that can help you to see there. Since none of us skeptical folks here have had any success so far.
I'm surprised you knew the reason why we are never in contact with any object.
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Re: Human Flying

Postby Indigo Child » 11 Jun 2010, 05:09

really? wrote:
Indigo Child wrote:

So says you. You still have only provided an argument from belief. Saying what you've said over and over does not make it anymore true this time than all the previous times.
I really wish you had the ability to step back and cross examine yourself and apply the critical thinking which this forum says it's all about. But if you are unable to self cross examine then come on over to the JREF there will be lots of ordinary people that can help you to see there. Since none of us skeptical folks here have had any success so far.
I'm surprised you knew the reason why we are never in contact with any object.


Nope, I have not provided an argument from belief. I have so far shown several scientific studies which have
confirmed the reality of astral travel. I have shown one study which confirms psychic teleportation. Now, I
have shown human levitation is in fact possible in quantum mechanics, using exactly the same scientific principles
Yogis use.

In addition to that I provided several philosophical arguments for why reality is a mind stuff and not a physical stuff,
and remember I challenged you earlier to prove materialism, realism, epiphenomenalism and positivism and you failed,
saying "I can't argue with logic like yours" The fact very fact that you cannot prove them is telling.

I also provided several scientific arguments from quantum mechanics which proves that modern science today has rejected
materialism and is on the brink of accepting mind-stuff views of reality in Yoga. Not surpisingly, many quantum physicists
are familiar with the Yogic views of reality and agree on how similar QM is to Yoga metaphysics.
Therefore it is not me who is not thinking critically, but you. I have presented so much evidence, that it is easy to see the falsity
of your allegation that I am providing only argument from belief.

I'm surprised you knew the reason why we are never in contact with any object


I know my science quite well. Now let me ask you a question, it is not a trick question. We are not
in the world, do you know why?
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